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U.S. attorney general: Hollywood, tech companies “pawns of Chinese influence”

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Post by hungryhobo »

stx wrote: post #191
bllguo wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct? How so? I can assure you that most Chinese citizens are not systematically disappeared, tortured, and/or killed (and enfranchisement is not as valued there as it is here). The regime has been objectively _good_ for the overwhelming majority of Chinese people. The economic growth and societal stability is what's unprecedented. This is not an excuse for the wrongs they are perpetrating, it's an acknowledgement…

> most Chinese citizens are not systematically disappeared, tortured, and/or killed So some being systematically disappeared, tortured, and or killed is okay? Here are a few recent examples of human rights abuses in China. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/a-sp... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-forcefully-harvests... In China there is no freedom of speech. Foreign companies can have th…

Did you know if the Uighur s were to take the university entrance exam in china they would get extra points due to the fact they are minority? Despite what the western media reports (in this case a opinion piece lol, where the proof is a spreadsheet) there is a system in china that actually sets minority up for success.

>In China there is no freedom of speech. Foreign companies can have their IP taken from them

Lolz if you look on Weibo you can find tons of voices critical of the government,

https://m.weibo.cn/detail/4461664625535361

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Post by vorpalhex »

hungryhobo wrote: post #123
vorpalhex wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you? How many cameras are there in the train station from HK to GZ? I lost count at 50. How many times do you go through a complete search as you take the metro trains? How many WeChat messages just never quite show up? Only pooh bear knows.

I've personally had my Facebook posts deleted so I don't know... I mean do people of GZ look oppressed to you?

The ones in the granite encased hotels or the ones without glass in their windows?

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Post by jhpriestley »

xbar wrote: post #94
jhpriestley wrote: post #22

Barr didn't seem too concerned about foreign influence when it came to a national security advisor lying to the government about cash payments from Turkey and illegal coordination with Russia.

Do you think he is wrong about the CCP?

yes, he is wrong that Apple and Disney are pawns of the CCP, it's a ridiculous accusation from an alternate reality.

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Post by bllguo »

stx wrote: post #191
bllguo wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct? How so? I can assure you that most Chinese citizens are not systematically disappeared, tortured, and/or killed (and enfranchisement is not as valued there as it is here). The regime has been objectively _good_ for the overwhelming majority of Chinese people. The economic growth and societal stability is what's unprecedented. This is not an excuse for the wrongs they are perpetrating, it's an acknowledgement…

> most Chinese citizens are not systematically disappeared, tortured, and/or killed So some being systematically disappeared, tortured, and or killed is okay? Here are a few recent examples of human rights abuses in China. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/a-sp... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-forcefully-harvests... In China there is no freedom of speech. Foreign companies can have th…

It's so painful to discuss China online. The claim I was responding to - that you called "correct", if you needed the reminder - was that most Chinese citizens are being systematically disappeared, tortured, and killed. It is not correct. Let's not get emotional or move the goalposts?

What you are saying is factual (though you may be surprised to what lengths you can go to re: speech). I challenge you to find where I said otherwise. I was refuting OP's counterproductive hysteria. What you have mentioned here is unrelated.

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Post by smegger001 »

rthomas6 wrote: post #91
tomp wrote: post #12

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The problem is, if you think you’re not in a Cold War while the other guy thinks you are. Before you realize it, it’s already too late.

Hmmm this sounds like an iterative prisoner's dilemma situation. Time to implement Generous Tit for Tat.

sound good until you realize there are more than two players and both sides have proxies to act through deny-ably. There is a reason North Korea has survived its so when cCina wants to threaten the US without repercussions they just let whichever Kim is in power act out. We do something China doesn't like Kim Jung Un throws a fit and drops some artillery shells in South Korea or attacks a Japanese fishing boat. geo-politics is a bitch. We get upset China says don't look at us it was North Korea. We threaten Kim, then China goes: Don't you do anything to them they are our ally we wont let you put troops on our boarder. We back off. repeat.

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Post by [deleted] »

Aunche wrote: post #142
muleroid wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Historically the US trade relationship with China was based on a principal that doing so would encourage the adoption of democracy there. Seeing as how that hasn't happened, this kind of rhetoric could just be an attempt to course correct (maybe overly so). I'm sure the upcoming elections also play a part in this. The article briefly mentions that as well.

Encouraging the adoption of democracy is never a true goal to any geopolitical decision. It's only used to deflect criticism from naysayers. The US has used the same justification to bomb nations and install fascist dictators. "You oppose going to war with Iraq? So you hate democracy then?"

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Post by stx »

bllguo wrote: post #204
stx wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> most Chinese citizens are not systematically disappeared, tortured, and/or killed So some being systematically disappeared, tortured, and or killed is okay? Here are a few recent examples of human rights abuses in China. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/a-sp... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-forcefully-harvests... In China there is no freedom of speech. Foreign companies can have th…

It's so painful to discuss China online. The claim I was responding to - that you called "correct", if you needed the reminder - was that most Chinese citizens are being systematically disappeared, tortured, and killed. It is not correct. Let's not get emotional or move the goalposts? What you are saying is factual (though you may be surprised to what lengths you can go to re: speech). I challenge you to find where I…

The original poster that you responded to and that I was saying was correct never said "most Chinese citizens are being systematically disappeared, tortured, and killed". I think you moved the goal post.

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Post by lacker »

ineedasername wrote: post #111

I'm not sure any major company has either 1) not done business with China or 2) not seriously tried to do business with China. The massive emerging market there was too much of a $$$ opportunity for them to ignore. Yes, there's a difference between, say, a fast food chain that tries to get a foot hold in China and a technology company that helps provide tools used to limit rights of free speech etc. However, this is…

Companies that are helping China carry out its genocide of the Uighurs, that seems like a difference of kind rather than degree.

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Post by jimclegg »

Aunche wrote: post #142
muleroid wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Historically the US trade relationship with China was based on a principal that doing so would encourage the adoption of democracy there. Seeing as how that hasn't happened, this kind of rhetoric could just be an attempt to course correct (maybe overly so). I'm sure the upcoming elections also play a part in this. The article briefly mentions that as well.

Encouraging the adoption of democracy is never a true goal to any geopolitical decision. It's only used to deflect criticism from naysayers. The US has used the same justification to bomb nations and install fascist dictators. "You oppose going to war with Iraq? So you hate democracy then?"

Exporting our broken form of governing, which is rife with corruption, mismanagement, unresponsive to the majority of the population, and defaults to redirecting money from the poorest to the richest, is the goal of western monopoly capital.

Basically "Our broken system allowed capital to rob 400 million people, let's utilize it in robbing 1.4 billion Chinese people next..."

Any idea that the American and European elite are pushing this for "benevolent purposes" flies in the face of a few centuries of well documented western history.

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Post by DevKoala »

price wrote: post #99
DevKoala wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True, the individuals that stopped dragonfly are commendable. However, that was not all of Google.

The parent is referring to when Google pulled out of China in 2010, after having actually operated a google.cn for several years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Aurora

That was in 2010. Then in 2018 Google was caught building dragonfly which was a CCP requirement compatible version of their search engine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonfly_(search_engine)

Google is a big organization. There is clearly tons of employees there protecting free speech, but there are also other people who are okay just taking the cash. It’s hard to treat Google as an entity only on one side of the fence.

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