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Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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> ARe things realy getting that bad? It's always been this bad, it's just that people who weren't given a voice now have some new means to be heard and are actually being listened to instead of having their experiences discounted and discarded.

How is it possible that the USA can be so rich, and so poor at the same time? How can any body sleep at night?

What they don’t know doesn’t keep them up at night.

Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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I presume you're talking about pharmacy profit and insurance company profit. "universal healthcare" just means everyone's covered. It doesn't mean everything's owned & operated by the government. That means there can still be private insurance companies and pharmacies, both making a profit.

"universal healthcare" just means everyone's covered. That is unnecessary. You know what was meant. No need to be deliberately obtuse

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Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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It's been a while since I've done biology, but if the boy was ingesting estrogen in a pill form, doesn't that also put additional strain on the liver?

Testosterone carries a significant risk of liver damage — even if it's injected. Estrogen doesn't, ingested or otherwise.

Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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Given that nobody seems to be able to account for his decision, it seems like maybe he should be in prison. If somebody assaults my testicles and renders me infertile, that is an extremely serious crime; this doctor may well have done the equivalent (along with completely destroying the boy mentally) with the stroke of a pen.

The good news (for this boy) is that 13 days of hormone therapy are unlikely to cause any permanent changes. Infertility/sterility is usually only expected after years of HRT - and even then, often returns if HRT is ceased.

Your statement needs a clarification:

> 13 days of hormone therapy are unlikely to cause sterility.

Yes, it's possible he won't end up sterilized by this. However:

The breast growth triggered in men by medical doses of estrogen is not reversible and requires surgery to correct. There will be social ramifications for life. There may be other (non-virility) physical ramifications for life.

Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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In this thread could we have people preface their comments with the intent they're assuming of the doctor? It seems to be a split between "the doctor was using an non-indicated treatment { in an attempt at gender-bending | for unknown reasons }", and the discussion is a disaster because everyone is talking past each other.

Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ARe things realy getting that bad? It's always been this bad, it's just that people who weren't given a voice now have some new means to be heard and are actually being listened to instead of having their experiences discounted and discarded.

How is it possible that the USA can be so rich, and so poor at the same time? How can any body sleep at night?

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Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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I think I'd support jail time for this abuse, FWIW (to be fair I've only read the one article). I'm reacting to the gendered reasoning among the poster above. It's bad because it's an unnecessary medical process used (apparently) as a punishment, not because it stole his manhood or whatever. I'm fine if you're super upset. But if you're MORE upset because of the gendering interaction, that's wrong. The poster above c…

It depends on the motivation, if it was ideologically motivated I would be outraged at the ideology that lead to it and people justifying it, just like I would be outraged at state of high school sports that lead to a coach doing this and people defending that. But I sort of agree, there is no proof this is ideological (in fact it sounds just as likely that the doctor was experimenting), the other guy is spinning it…

> (in fact it sounds just as likely that the doctor was experimenting)

I can think of another prison "doctor" who's known for "experimenting" on unwilling victims. Claiming to be doing experiments, yet without any hint of scientific rigor.

If the claims made in the article are true, this guy belongs in prison no matter his excuse. Whether or not an ideological motivation can be proven or ruled out is completely irrelevant.

Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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I think there’s more than a hint of transphobia in the comment too, given that hrt is used in gender transitioning.

Definitely not. I'm a passionate biohacker (normal people get shocked with how many different pills I self-prescribe) and trans admirer (yet I actually believe forcing people this way is an atrocity, they can only choose for themselves). What I actually hate, however, is political correctness (people who take "inappropriate" humor seriously and actually get or pretend offended - that's whom we should treat with hormo…

I’ll take your word for it. But I have certainly seen transitioning (which involves estrogen when the transition is mtf) referred to as biohacking in a way I don’t have to pretend to be offended by.

Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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This reads like the plot of a dystopian young adult sci-fi novel. Children who resist authority being diagnosed with a "behavioural disorder" and being forcibly given hormones by an evil doctor. Yet apparently this is the reality of modern society.

It could be worse. There was a time when it was possible to give defiant children 'icepick lobotomies'. [0]

[0]https://www.npr.org/2005/11/16/5014080/my-lobotomy-howard-du...

Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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How is it possible that the USA can be so rich, and so poor at the same time? How can any body sleep at night?

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And they convince themselves that anyone who is struggling is struggling because of being lazy and not working hard enough. That country could use a good dose of compassion for their fellow humans. But instead they prefer to dehumanize others, and regard others as little more than wild animals.
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