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Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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A woman that uses the pill as birth control consumes 0.00365 gram of estrogen a year. At a consumption price of the pill for $300 a gram of estradiol is thus worth $82,191.79. Compare that to $44 for a gram of gold and you wonder if big Pharma is ready for disruption?

There are lots of things more valuable than gold. Why is that a useful comparison?

Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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I see no problem here. Kid should sue and win. Doctor gets investigated by the local/regional/national board of medicine and is disbarred for not practicing evidence-based medicine. Jail comes under investigation for their choice to hire the doctor (who ostensibly lacked the red flags to prevent his hiring). This is how the system works. It’s not like you can know which doctors are the bad apples before malpractice l…

If a prescription like this goes through the entire system and is given to a minor for nearly two weeks - there's definitely a problem there.

I know that there's a lot of systems out there that will automatically flag for "suspicious" or mistaken prescriptions, whenever medicine that is not associated with any diagnoses is prescribed. Surely a basic thing to do in a case like this would be to forward it to another doctor to double-check.

I know several trans women who have had trouble getting their estrogen prescriptions covered by insurance, even with medical diagnoses. Because they've got a system in place that says "Hey, why are you giving estrogen to somebody legally male? That doesn't seem right."

Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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A woman that uses the pill as birth control consumes 0.00365 gram of estrogen a year. At a consumption price of the pill for $300 a gram of estradiol is thus worth $82,191.79. Compare that to $44 for a gram of gold and you wonder if big Pharma is ready for disruption?

You’re not factoring in labor, packaging, pharmacy profit, pharmacist wages, insurance company profit. If you think you can do it cheaper, then go for it

Seems like at least two of those could be removed by universal healthcare.

Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that nobody seems to be able to account for his decision, it seems like maybe he should be in prison. If somebody assaults my testicles and renders me infertile, that is an extremely serious crime; this doctor may well have done the equivalent (along with completely destroying the boy mentally) with the stroke of a pen.

Came here ready to be horrified at the gender paranoia living under the surface of HN, was actually surprised with how reasonable everyone was. Except this comment. None of those symptoms (infertility, "complete mental destruction" or, heh, "assault on the testicles") are alleged here. He got an inappropriate drug, possibly punitively. And that's horrifying enough without painting figurative spectres of the unimagina…

The article doesn't go into it, but any of those are plausible enough as results of what this doctor did.

Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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> was diagnosed with oppositional defiant disorder, or ODD, two days after he was arrested and housed at Eastlake Juvenile Hall in June 2019, the lawsuit said. Medical records reviewed by The Times show that the teen’s testosterone levels were “slightly high” when the doctor who diagnosed him prescribed daily doses of estrogen

This is sickening, not so much for the drugging but the 'oppositional defiant disorder' interpretation. Knuckle under, kid.

However, simply on a factual basis (I assume the story was based on an established practice anyway), I remember as a kid reading a story in 1001 nights where some male child was castrated to stop him being bolshy. They do that to animals for the same reason and with the same effect. There's precedent.

Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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post #12

A woman that uses the pill as birth control consumes 0.00365 gram of estrogen a year. At a consumption price of the pill for $300 a gram of estradiol is thus worth $82,191.79. Compare that to $44 for a gram of gold and you wonder if big Pharma is ready for disruption?

You’re not factoring in labor, packaging, pharmacy profit, pharmacist wages, insurance company profit. If you think you can do it cheaper, then go for it

The biggest cost dwarfing all of these is probably the research.

Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, there's obviously a problem here.

To me, it seems like the system is working as intended. Rather well, actually, because a bad doctor was brought to light with a fairly benign case rather than something potentially deadly later on.

Okay, but just so we're clear, what is concerning here isn't the system, it's the morality of what happened and how/why it happened.

Wait, no - it is about the system. There is obviously a problem if this is one of the acceptable outcomes.

Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, there's obviously a problem here.

To me, it seems like the system is working as intended. Rather well, actually, because a bad doctor was brought to light with a fairly benign case rather than something potentially deadly later on.

The justice system is working as intended.

The prison (or juvenile hall) most certainly isn't.

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