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Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says
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Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says
#22I see no problem here. Kid should sue and win. Doctor gets investigated by the local/regional/national board of medicine and is disbarred for not practicing evidence-based medicine. Jail comes under investigation for their choice to hire the doctor (who ostensibly lacked the red flags to prevent his hiring). This is how the system works. It’s not like you can know which doctors are the bad apples before malpractice l…
> This is how the system works.
The system isn't working when innocent people get hurt. If that is the 'system' then the 'system' needs to be torn down and rebuilt. It's the same issue with deregulation
> It’s not like you can know which doctors are the bad apples before malpractice like this.
I really doubt this is true. This is defeatist and assumes that there is no possibility to improvement anywhere that would reduce patient harm by malpractice. I'm sure that's not true.
> I see no problem here.
The innocent being hurt is a problem.
Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says
#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sarcasm? Behavioral disorder therapy is not equal to hormone therapy.
yes, sarcasm. this system seems to use random cocktails on people with no medical evaluation to support it. this is america.
Internet comment forums are sure a weird social dynamic. It feels like your talking with a group of friends, but also, we're all strangers meeting for the first time.
So cracking a sarcastic joke, a thing that really only works if you know your audience and your audience knows you, feels safe, but obviously doesn't work very well.
Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says
#24A woman that uses the pill as birth control consumes 0.00365 gram of estrogen a year. At a consumption price of the pill for $300 a gram of estradiol is thus worth $82,191.79. Compare that to $44 for a gram of gold and you wonder if big Pharma is ready for disruption?
You’re not factoring in labor, packaging, pharmacy profit, pharmacist wages, insurance company profit. If you think you can do it cheaper, then go for it
Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
I mean, there's obviously a problem here.
To me, it seems like the system is working as intended. Rather well, actually, because a bad doctor was brought to light with a fairly benign case rather than something potentially deadly later on.
The system is working rather well because an innocent kid has been hurt? What kind of system is that? That's a cruel and horrible 'system' and needs to be completely rethought.
Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says
#26estrogen, ketamine, actual therapy whats the difference? edit, for those that can't tell: /s the intent is to highlight the absurdity of a system that clearly needs changing across the board, not just in one prison in one municipality.
For what it's worth, I've personally witnessed esketamine make major improvements to treatment resistant depression after a single treatment when nothing else is working worth a damn. So it's pretty clear to me that it is a real treatment with good cause for using it.
Now, it didn't work in our case because of underlying psychosis, which also means it's dangerous as heck and needs to be used carefully, but in terms of effect size, someone can go from rating their depression as 10 out of 10 down to zero in one treatment.
So I wouldn't be hasty to discard it, just careful to use it on the right people and maybe I'd figure out some way to deal with the psychosis so that those who might otherwise get excluded could have the benefits too.
Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says
#27The doctor should be stripped of their license.
Given that nobody seems to be able to account for his decision, it seems like maybe he should be in prison. If somebody assaults my testicles and renders me infertile, that is an extremely serious crime; this doctor may well have done the equivalent (along with completely destroying the boy mentally) with the stroke of a pen.
Came here ready to be horrified at the gender paranoia living under the surface of HN, was actually surprised with how reasonable everyone was. Except this comment.
None of those symptoms (infertility, "complete mental destruction" or, heh, "assault on the testicles") are alleged here. He got an inappropriate drug, possibly punitively. And that's horrifying enough without painting figurative spectres of the unimaginable cruelty of... emasculation?
Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says
#28Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says
#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
Given that nobody seems to be able to account for his decision, it seems like maybe he should be in prison. If somebody assaults my testicles and renders me infertile, that is an extremely serious crime; this doctor may well have done the equivalent (along with completely destroying the boy mentally) with the stroke of a pen.
The good news (for this boy) is that 13 days of hormone therapy are unlikely to cause any permanent changes. Infertility/sterility is usually only expected after years of HRT - and even then, often returns if HRT is ceased.
You are correct in that such a low dose for a short period of time is unlikely to have major problems, but HRT is not a risk-free treatment. It increases risk of heart disease, stroke, blood clots and more.
Re: Boy, 16, was given estrogen at L.A. juvenile hall, suit says
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
I mean, there's obviously a problem here.
To me, it seems like the system is working as intended. Rather well, actually, because a bad doctor was brought to light with a fairly benign case rather than something potentially deadly later on.
The fact that a child fell victim to this kind of calculated medical misconduct in the first place is pretty clear evidence that the system is not "working as intended".
How often does stuff like this happen, but we don't hear about it? Jails and prisons are human rights black holes.