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Re: I Know What You Download on BitTorrent

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I've fired people for having less wherewithal than to ask a question like this. His performance, output, or attitude are irrelevant. He knowingly used company property to violate federal law... IP law at that. Guy should be lucky he didn't get sued for gross negligence.

If you fire people just for asking questions (possibly after misunderstanding the intent of the question like in this case), then it seems likely you'll end up with a team of sycophants that only tell you what you want to hear.

@wcoenen you're right in that there's a misunderstanding of intent.

@ooobit2 I was asking, only to hopefully learn a bit about how people who do such weird things, can be like, otherwise at the workplace.

> I've fired people for having less wherewithal than to ask a question like this

Makes me wonder if you've fired people in the past, because of misunderstandings

Re: I Know What You Download on BitTorrent

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If you fire people just for asking questions (possibly after misunderstanding the intent of the question like in this case), then it seems likely you'll end up with a team of sycophants that only tell you what you want to hear.

I had the first impression as you but IIUC they are saying the rep's poor ethics/judgement are enough to make them unemployable and we should all realize and agree or our judgement is also questionable. E.g. Bob's super smart and gets 10 times the work done as anyone else but he also sexually harasses the secretary and dips into the petty cash drawer at least once a week. It should be clear we don't want to have Bob…

My question was only to hopefully learn a bit about how people who do such weird things, can be like, otherwise at the workplace.

Wasn't suggesting anything related to firing or not.

Re: I Know What You Download on BitTorrent

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I've fired people for having less wherewithal than to ask a question like this. His performance, output, or attitude are irrelevant. He knowingly used company property to violate federal law... IP law at that. Guy should be lucky he didn't get sued for gross negligence.

I might be misreading the comment above, but it sounds to me like it's asking, "Were there any signs of him being untrustworthy?" (and not "He shouldn't have been fired.") It is precisely because of the magnitude of his error that it would have been nicer to fire him before he made it.

> like it's asking, "Were there any signs of him being untrustworthy?"

That's right -- I'm interested in hopefully recognizing such signs myself, sooner rather than later

Re: I Know What You Download on BitTorrent

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There's was also providers in the UK who's bad video compression made the picture so dark it was unwatchable.

Are you sure you weren't just tuning in to season 8, episode 3

That's probably the episode they're talking about but it doesn't render their complaint less valid. It just shows the limits of streaming technology in its current form.

Re: I Know What You Download on BitTorrent

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> … the law is as it is and producers invest in content with the expectation that those laws will be enforced. The law can change tomorrow with the stroke of a pen and society won't owe them anything for these past "investments" no matter what their expectations were. Which, of course, is why they invest so much in politics and astroturf campaigns to head off any attempt to actually change the law to something more i…

> The law can change tomorrow with the stroke of a pen and society won't owe them anything What you say is literally true, but because most investment ends up as wages, such an act would literally destroy tens of billions of dollars of working capital, and put a hundred thousand people out of work overnight. I assume that's not an outcome you actually advocate. > Property rights arise naturally as a result of scarcit…

> I assume that's not an outcome you actually advocate.

I don't wish misfortune on anyone, and I expect there would be a transitional period in any real-world implementation, but just the same I cannot possibly justify continuing this parasitic situation any longer than absolutely necessary. If I were presented with a button that would eliminate copyright law instantly, globally, and permanently, I would press it without hesitation—and then get to work dealing with the inevitable fallout.

> For most of history, property and other rights were determined by whoever had the biggest army. Jesus, many people still don't have the right to their own bodies in some places in the world.

You are obviously referring to legal recognition of rights, not the rights themselves. The law is artificial, founded for the most part on non-defensive application of force to achieve a desired outcome, and doesn't correlate very well with the rights that people naturally possess. Some legal systems are better than other in this regard. No law which comes from a government will ever fully recognize natural human rights because, quite simply, that would put them out of business. However, here in the U.S. we at least explicitly recognize that there are rights which humans naturally possess ("endowed by their Creator"—whatever that happens to mean to you) which do not derive from the law, but rather have priority over it. There is a difference between what the law says you may do without penalty and what you may rightfully do, and when the two are in conflict it is the law which is wrong, no matter how popular the law might be or how much force can be brought to bear to back it up.

> You surely can't blame people for wanting to be entertained? Are you saying you never watch something fun?

I'm not blaming them. I'm just saying that there isn't a strong market right now for actual journalism. It's thankless work, for the most part, with or without copyright.

> In any case, weak and misapplied copyright laws have enabled Google and Facebook, in particular, to concentrate the important elements of journalism and present it to their users in a way which reduces the diversity of all journalism. They show just enough to get away with "fair use" while ensuring that the likelihood of people clicking outside the walled garden is minimised.

Are you trying to say that copyright should be expanded to cover facts and not just expression? That it should be illegal to quote or paraphrase a small portion of a copyrighted work? I believe the majority would side with me in vehemently disagreeing. Keep in mind that (in the U.S.) the exceptions for fair use are the only reason why copyright law was not declared wholly unconstitutional on 1st Amendment grounds. Freedom of speech is far more important than this runaway social engineering experiment known as copyright. (IMHO they gave in too easily. Copyright law violates the 1st Amendment and freedom of speech even with fair use.)

Re: I Know What You Download on BitTorrent

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the solution is not to use your work equipment was my point

$5 can be the difference between eating that day or going without food for some.

yes but you can survive without watching shows, which is my point

Re: I Know What You Download on BitTorrent

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We should really stop calling copyright infringement 'piracy'. Piracy is a violent penal crime which results in a theft of property by the use of physical force / weapons. Accepting this label helps media conglomerates distort the public perception of the issue into their favor.

If you don’t want to use the term “piracy”, the best alternative I’ve heard is “bootlegging”. Credit for the idea goes to the author of https://daringfireball.net/ , who suggested that term way back in 2009.

I'm sure the use of that word goes back way further with illegally duplicating and sharing music, i.e bootleg recordings.

Re: I Know What You Download on BitTorrent

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Jesus, is that some sort of proven statistic? Because if it's accurate that's orders of magnitude more than what I expected. No wonder they seem to come out of the woodwork lately, but still, kind of chilling.

In Hollywood's high-circles it's probably more like 15% (estimated)

Estimated 42% of hacker news users work in the tech industry.

Re: I Know What You Download on BitTorrent

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There are no Netflix streams licensed for further broadcast. Sharing a stream with 80k people is just as illegal as torrenting it to 80k people. Copyright law doesn't differentiate between protocols.

That's even worse in terms of creating more questions. Did every employee pay for their part? Did the company pay for it? How does this even work?

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Re: I Know What You Download on BitTorrent

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> The law can change tomorrow with the stroke of a pen and society won't owe them anything What you say is literally true, but because most investment ends up as wages, such an act would literally destroy tens of billions of dollars of working capital, and put a hundred thousand people out of work overnight. I assume that's not an outcome you actually advocate. > Property rights arise naturally as a result of scarcit…

> I assume that's not an outcome you actually advocate. I don't wish misfortune on anyone, and I expect there would be a transitional period in any real-world implementation, but just the same I cannot possibly justify continuing this parasitic situation any longer than absolutely necessary. If I were presented with a button that would eliminate copyright law instantly, globally, and permanently, I would press it wit…

> I don't wish misfortune on anyone ... I would press it without hesitation

I can’t reconcile these two statements. People would definitely die if you pushed that button; I don’t think you want that.

> here in the U.S. we at least explicitly recognize that there are rights which humans naturally possess

Perhaps true, but only for certain values of ‘human’.

> Are you trying to say that copyright should be expanded to cover facts and not just expression? That it should be illegal to quote or paraphrase a small portion of a copyrighted work?

I think it’s pretty clear that I’m saying that fair use has been subverted by companies for profit, and that eliminating copyright will make things far worse.

> Freedom of speech is far more important than this runaway social engineering experiment known as copyright

Given the rate at which people are getting sick and dying in the US right now, I’m not certain that the “runaway social experiment of free speech” - as moderated and directed by the copyright infringing trolls at big social media - is working out too well for you guys either.

> Copyright law violates the 1st Amendment and freedom of speech even with fair use.

Didn’t you just essentially argue that the law is not morally authoritative?

You clearly believe that there exist natural rights. I happen to believe that the right to control the things I create is natural. Just because something can be copied easily doesn’t abrogate my natural rights, any more than the fact that your genome can be copied abrogates yours.

Despite what you think, its entirely possible and natural for me to suffer a loss if you copy something that I created, particularly if creating it was expensive for me, and your copying it prevents me from making good my loss.

While there is much I find dismaying about copyright law, there is nothing unnatural about it.

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