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Tesla worst for reliability in American driver survey

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Re: Tesla worst for reliability in American driver survey

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Post by aidenn0 »

dredds wrote: post #115
A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #45

This is one of the more damning articles for me. It includes nuggets I used to say as joke about what would happen if MS made a car including: “I have tried a reset but the glove compartment will not open after pressing the button…any ideas?” One response asked if the car was in Valet mode. When told it wasn’t, they followed with: “ok. That’s the ‘normal’ cause of random glove locking. Try putting it on and turning i…

Some might consider it a feature if the glove box needs some known-only-to-the-owner quirk to open as basic security, at least prior to having voice/phone activation as an option. As i understood it, the valet mode is an early preparation for autopilot ride-hailing activity while the owner is working, otherwise known as robo-taxi mode, in order to keep the compartment locked in non-privileged cases. Can any owners co…

Valet mode is a common feature on luxury cars; prior to the fancy infotainment stuff, it was a valet key that wouldn't unlock the glovebox or trunk, but would drive the car.

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Post by slg »

chongli wrote: post #141
bitexploder wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does complex imply harder to use? I find Tesla’s system easier to use than most infotainment systems. I would argue more features != harder to use.

I think the point is that people are more likely to get into a collision if they're messing around with an infotainment system when they should be keeping their eyes on the road. A simple radio+CD player with physical buttons for everything is easy to operate without distracting the driver.

It is naive to assume that if a car has a simple radio+CD player with physical buttons that the user will only ever use a simple radio+CD player with physical buttons. Many people will instead use Bluetooth, an aux input, or a radio transmitter to connect their phone to the stereo. Now everything is offloaded from the car's infotainment system to a phone which is even more difficult and dangerous to use while driving.

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Post by Domenic_S »

b112 wrote: post #140
davedx wrote: post #118

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Yep. As a new Model 3 owner, this is definitely an issue and a huge drawback of them not having a smaller dashboard screen for critical functionality like the speedo. The "black screen" issue is very real and affects lots of people. I've already experienced it twice within the first month of driving, if it happens a few more times it's off to the service centre with it. All in all I'm extremely happy with the car, it…

I still don't get night driving + rural. In the city, there is a lot of light. It's not really ever truly dark. In rural areas, on a dark night, especially with no moon, your eyes can adjust to the darkness... I tend to turn all light off inside my car when driving rural at night. That won't work though, if you have a massive, huge LCD with backlight constantly throwing white light at your eyes. Worse is if it 'shuts…

The screen uses dark mode at night, and the backlight can get pretty dark beyond that.

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Post by api »

milkytron wrote: post #28

JD Power is clearly in bed with the traditional Detroit automakers. If you look at their history of rewards[0], you'll find that many times they choose the big three american companies vehicles over clearly superior import vehicles. They're vehicles on the page show one vehicle from each of the three big automakers in the US, one Chevy, one Ford, and a Dodge. There's also a Volvo in there that I'm sure fought some ba…

JD Power seems like the Gartner of automotive.

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Post by toddmorey »

milkytron wrote: post #28

JD Power is clearly in bed with the traditional Detroit automakers. If you look at their history of rewards[0], you'll find that many times they choose the big three american companies vehicles over clearly superior import vehicles. They're vehicles on the page show one vehicle from each of the three big automakers in the US, one Chevy, one Ford, and a Dodge. There's also a Volvo in there that I'm sure fought some ba…

I was wondering about that. I owed a Dodge in the 90s and was amazed to see Dodge today at the top of the list. I was ready to consider either that my "never again" philosophy to the brand needed an update or that the survey was a bit suspect.

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Post by wlesieutre »

aidenn0 wrote: post #149
wlesieutre wrote: post #91

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Mazda gives you CarPlay / Android Auto and has buttons for things like climate control, I haven't driven one but I imagine it's a lot easier to drive without bothering to learn how the screen works at all. EDIT: though IIRC Mazda's screen isn't a touchscreen, so you need to figure out how to control CarPlay with the knob. Interaction is more like an old iPod than an iPhone. Perhaps less intuitive as a new user, but b…

Mazda's screen is a touch-screen at least up to 2019; you can use the knob as well (and I exclusively use the knob because finger-prints make the screen unreadable when the sun is behind you).

Looks like they started dropping touchscreens in 2019:

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1121372_why-mazda-is-pur...

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Post by gburdell3 »

chongli wrote: post #141
bitexploder wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does complex imply harder to use? I find Tesla’s system easier to use than most infotainment systems. I would argue more features != harder to use.

I think the point is that people are more likely to get into a collision if they're messing around with an infotainment system when they should be keeping their eyes on the road. A simple radio+CD player with physical buttons for everything is easy to operate without distracting the driver.

Don't own a Tesla, but from what I understand most things can be controlled from the steering wheel controls.

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Post by SpookyBits »

Everytime Tesla is mentioned here the deluge of hate is overwhelming. I genuinely don't understand it. Here comes a company that is actually doing something fundamentally transformative and good for the planet and its inhabitants instead just another in the countless line of garbage apps that at best are a solution looking for a problem and at worst actively contributing to the destruction of our species (Facebook). Seperate the man from the accomplishments.

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Post by grecy »

SpookyBits wrote: post #159

Everytime Tesla is mentioned here the deluge of hate is overwhelming. I genuinely don't understand it. Here comes a company that is actually doing something fundamentally transformative and good for the planet and its inhabitants instead just another in the countless line of garbage apps that at best are a solution looking for a problem and at worst actively contributing to the destruction of our species (Facebook).…

It has become extremely popular to "idea bash" anything and everything on the internet and in real life. It's not possible to do anything anymore without a crowd of haters.

People can't stand the idea that an idea they don't understand might actually work, and they get angry when it does.

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