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Tesla worst for reliability in American driver survey

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Re: Tesla worst for reliability in American driver survey

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Post by jedieaston »

mcguire wrote: post #44

" ...as the Elon Musk-founded firm reportedly wouldn’t allow its customers to be surveyed in 15 of America’s 50 states... " Sigh. This again? Tesla has joined the list of producers of quality products like Oracle?

In the other thread, this was phrased as Tesla not allowing those states to release the information of people who bought a car to third-parties because privacy. I'm sure if you wanted to take the survey in one of those states you can just reach out to JD Power yourself, they can't scrape your information though.

Re: Tesla worst for reliability in American driver survey

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Post by jonathankoren »

georgeecollins wrote: post #51

I agree with others that the survey is a bit suspect, but I do believe it is possible that Dodges don't have a lot of problems. Look at the cars they sell! They haven't changed their cars much in at least ten years. That is not a knock on them, Americans like Chargers and Challengers. If you are making the same car for ten years or more I hope you get very good at it.

The Tesla S was introduced eight years ago.

Re: Tesla worst for reliability in American driver survey

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Post by ex3ndr »

gambiting wrote: post #60
ex3ndr wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it is clearly opposite: media in mazda is insanely hard to learn.

I bet that Mazda is stupidly easy to get into, start, put it in gear and drive though, and I bet it will behave predictably on the road like a normal car would. Everything else is secondary. Teslas definitely have a learning curve if you have never driven one.

No, tesla behaves just like a normal car. Changing gear is the same as Mercedes, default settings makes tesla same as any other car.

If you will change it's settings to something different than it is have to learn something. Chill Mode + No recuperation + no "one pedal driving" and you will get typical Mazda behavior.

The biggest issue with tesla is that it is freaking powerful if you are moving from other car.

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Post by FireBeyond »

AgloeDreams wrote: post #52
spodek wrote: post #39

> the Elon Musk-founded firm Musk didn't found Tesla. From Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Tesla,_Inc . > Tesla was incorporated on July 1, 2003 by Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning. and that they, with a third employee, > connected with Elon Musk, who contributed US$6.5 million of the initial (Series A) US$7.5 million round of investment in February 2004

Technically speaking his investment came with a retroactive co-founder status according to the company. But yeah no he wasn't there in the beginning.

The retroactive co-founder status came not as a result of the investment, but by a lawsuit settlement with the _actual founders_.

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Post by [deleted] »

milkytron wrote: post #28

JD Power is clearly in bed with the traditional Detroit automakers. If you look at their history of rewards[0], you'll find that many times they choose the big three american companies vehicles over clearly superior import vehicles. They're vehicles on the page show one vehicle from each of the three big automakers in the US, one Chevy, one Ford, and a Dodge. There's also a Volvo in there that I'm sure fought some ba…

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Re: Tesla worst for reliability in American driver survey

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Post by kbenson »

codazoda wrote: post #64
darth_avocado wrote: post #47

This survey is garbage. Survey design is an art. And unfortunately, this survey does not differentiate between a big problem like "brakes are shot" and a small one like "My spotify playlist doesn't show up like I want". Dig a bit deeper, for Tesla, > Infotainment is the source of more than a quarter of all problems Another thing to point out is that J.D. Power’s IQS does not differentiate between a problem that is th…

It's also useless in time frame. This is over the first few months of ownership. I've owned two of the cars that rank near the top of this list and it's problems after 5 years that I care about. That's when you start to pay out of pocket and the problems get big. Most cars, now, don't survive ten years, but I want a car that's reliable from year 5 to year 10.

It's not useless, it's just targeted at a specific audience. Some people only keep cars for 5 years and then get a new car. I buy used cars about 3 years old and keep them for 5-6 years, so reliability ratings over later years is more important for me (which is why I generally buy Honda or Toyota for my minivan/car needs), but it might not be for those people.

Consumer reports has traditionally been good about showing reliability over different stages of car lifetime, but it's been a while since I looked.

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Post by filmgirlcw »

TekMol wrote: post #56
AgloeDreams wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technically speaking his investment came with a retroactive co-founder status according to the company. But yeah no he wasn't there in the beginning.

"Retroactive co-founder" - I wonder if that approach would work in other areas too. Like, how much would it cost to buy the status of an "Original member of the Beatles"?

Ask Ringo?

Like, Pete Best was replaced by Ringo b/c George Martin thought he wasn’t good enough in the initial recording sessions with the band.

Pete Best can claim to be an early member but that doesn’t take away from the fact that Ringo was there from the beginning. The analogy works pretty well with Musk here.

Now, if you’re talking a Destiny’s Child situation where two of the early members were replaced in music videos — for songs they performed on and a record with their faces on the cover, you’d be correct. Michelle Williams can never claim to be an “original” member of the band, but she was part of the band from the time it started to take off, even if she didn’t get to accept a Grammy for the second album with her two band mates (who had to awkwardly go on stage with the girls they replaced).

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Post by Alex3917 »

darth_avocado wrote: post #47

This survey is garbage. Survey design is an art. And unfortunately, this survey does not differentiate between a big problem like "brakes are shot" and a small one like "My spotify playlist doesn't show up like I want". Dig a bit deeper, for Tesla, > Infotainment is the source of more than a quarter of all problems Another thing to point out is that J.D. Power’s IQS does not differentiate between a problem that is th…

Well it's dangerous if people are fiddling with their infotainment system while driving and it's poorly designed. How is that any better than having bad brakes?

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Post by FireBeyond »

Covzire wrote: post #31
frei wrote: post #4

>The J.D. Power US Initial Quality Study, which gauges problems encountered in the first three months of ownership. A very questionable definition of "reliability".

AFAIK they lump everything from "I don't like the color of this AC control knob" to "sudden and unpredictable catastrophic engine failure" into this category.

Which may be problematic, but it's not like (as some here imply) that Tesla is being treated any differently to any other manufacturer.

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Post by jeffbee »

taf2 wrote: post #66

2014 I got my tesla. I’ve had one issue and one recall... equivalent expensive luxury cars range rover,bmw, Benz of the past... by 2-3 year mark all are thousands in maintenance monthly. Tesla for me at least has been a game changer. Cost aside I don’t think about my car much except for the occasional thread like this...

I don't doubt that your Benz is expensive to maintain but I have a feeling that thousands per month in year 3 is somewhat exaggerated. Edmunds estimates the 5-year maintenance cost of the most expensive Benz I can think of (the E63 AMG) at less than $9000, which is maybe a lot but that's $150/month.
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