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Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by tijuco2 »

wrboyce wrote: post #247
Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whatsapp can be an extremely confusing name for non-native English speakers. I'm from Spain and I think 90% of the time I see it written in Spain, it's written wrong (wassap, whasapp, wuatsapp, whatsap, watsap, wuassap, wuassapp, whatsup, watsup, etc.). Sometimes a phonetically "transliterated" version is used instead, like "guasap", which I find more tolerable because at least then it becomes a genuine Spanish word,…

QuepasApp?

Hahaha thank you for making me laugh so hard

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Post by usbfingers »

seizethegdgap wrote: post #267
usbfingers wrote: post #223

If you dislike the new name, branding, or user experience, instead of arguing over why or why not it is a good decision, I'd encourage you to get yourself involved and be that change. Before the rebrand, or even any talk user experience and design from Element (Riot), I didn't want to wait and started working on a privacy centric matrix client that focused on branding and user experience. I managed to get E2EE workin…

Wow, this is slick. I'm sure there's a lot of work to be done, but how far along is cross-signing at this point?

it's next on the list after group E2EE is stable along with key import/exports

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Post by cpeterso »

x87678r wrote: post #191

I still dont understand why Slack is popular when there is a free open source solution matrix/riot/element that works just as well.

I use both Slack and Riot (in browser). Slack is slow, but it manages threading and notifications much better than Riot.

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by CameronNemo »

Macha wrote: post #178
dividedbyzero wrote: post #157

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I'm not a native speaker, but I associate a riot with group violence, vandalism, looting, that kind of thing.

I am a native speaker, and I've heard "a riot" used to describe "a good time", but in isolation I'd definitely also picture the violent protest type of riot. That said, this doesn't appear to to be a common usage in the US. Webster doesn't have this usage, Wiktionary describes it as obselete and pairs it more with excess than I would, (also they use fifteenth century examples), though Oxford has it.

I recently read a BBC article that contained the usage. Perhaps it is more common in British English.

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by cptroot »

api wrote: post #263
_8j50 wrote: post #85

No!!! Of all the names in the world why this. "Hey bro, let's chat on Element" ,not quite a ring to it. The hardest problem in computer science strikes again! Matrix,Riot and Libolm are epic projects, I wish them all the success but man, even Riot was a hard sell as a brand. I would seriously be dissapointed if it loses popularity over this. I don't think the project maintainers understand that their core users/fans…

Agreed. This is an absolutely horrible name that I'm sure was chosen by poll or committee. What was wrong with Riot anyway? It wasn't the best name but it was known. Most name changes are mistakes.

Because Riot means Riot Games to a substantial portion of the internet.

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Post by CameronNemo »

Majestic121 wrote: post #210
snarfy wrote: post #198

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It fails the two syllable rule. All the best companies/bands/groups have two syllable names. If by chance a company succeeds without the two syllable name, a two syllable pseudonym will materialize.

Microsoft Amazon Facebook Instagram ?

Facebook is two syllables.

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Post by ethelward »

rocha wrote: post #228
simias wrote: post #102

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I actually don't like "Signal" either, because it's such a common word that it makes it hard to search for it online. "Telegram" is marginally better, since original telegrams are not very relevant today. But yeah Element is arguably even worse, it's a super common noun and it doesn't seem to have anything to do with communication. But in the end these naming discussions are always going to end up as bikeshedding. If…

It is not great, but it is also not a disaster. See Go, React, Rust, Processing, Atom, Windows, etc...

I agree that these names are kind of meh, but they stand for things that will mostly be chosen on their technical merit, and that you don't have to sell to your friends/mom/gf/brother/etc; so it does not really matter.

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by ATsch »

Certhas wrote: post #59
dividedbyzero wrote: post #15

That's been long overdue and will hopefully help Matrix make inroads into more conservative organizations; I believe the tech is really promising. It's a definite liability, trying to introduce people to Matrix, when the de-facto default client's name evokes all kinds of unhelpful associations – it doesn't sound like work at all and it does sound like gamers, toys, apparently even like a far-left political organisati…

This comment section is remarkable. If the name change is perceived to be in order to be welcoming to corporate, nobody has a problem with that. Imagine if the name change was perceived to be in order to be more welcoming to underrepresented people. We would have endless discussions about pc culture, and how the name is not bad at all, etc...

Makes sense, considering HN has plenty of people from corporations and more or less no people from marginalized groups.

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by justaj »

PSA for all Riot/Element Android users: RiotX came out of beta too soon. Voice and video calls don't seem to be implemented in non-DM encrypted rooms. So if you created an e2e room and invited someone there, you can no longer call them.
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