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Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by starfallg »

dividedbyzero wrote: post #15

That's been long overdue and will hopefully help Matrix make inroads into more conservative organizations; I believe the tech is really promising. It's a definite liability, trying to introduce people to Matrix, when the de-facto default client's name evokes all kinds of unhelpful associations – it doesn't sound like work at all and it does sound like gamers, toys, apparently even like a far-left political organisati…

Does the name really inhibit adoption in a corporate environment that much, or is it just an excuse people put down in questionnaires?

Plenty of popular tools with questionable names. Splunk and slack comes to mind.

Re: Riot is now Element

#53

Post by mytailorisrich »

neiljohnson wrote: post #50
mytailorisrich wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I'm an organisation, e.g. a company, I don't want end-to-end encryption, I want to make sure I have access to all messages within the company and between employees. So I'm not sure a tool that is encrypted end-to-end will be that appealing to me not matter the name unless there is a feature around that. On the other hand, individuals who are savvy enough to look for such a tool may not worry too much about the nam…

Element is end to end encrypted by default for private rooms and 1:1 chats, but the Matrix protocol does not mandate the use of end to end encryption since it doesn't make sense for some use cases, particularly for public world readable rooms and IoT application. There are organisations today that use Element without e2ee, though in practice we find that most see e2ee as a plus point - especially with the recent UX i…

Good to know that it can be used without e2e encryption.

I don't see e2e as a plus point in a corporate environment because there is always a need to retrieve communications in some cases (which has nothing to do with UX).

Re: Riot is now Element

#54

Post by numpad0 »

srg0 wrote: post #44
dividedbyzero wrote: post #15

That's been long overdue and will hopefully help Matrix make inroads into more conservative organizations; I believe the tech is really promising. It's a definite liability, trying to introduce people to Matrix, when the de-facto default client's name evokes all kinds of unhelpful associations – it doesn't sound like work at all and it does sound like gamers, toys, apparently even like a far-left political organisati…

looking at you, git

Real developer™ use something called Subversion anyway

Re: Riot is now Element

#55

Post by Barrin92 »

starfallg wrote: post #51
dividedbyzero wrote: post #15

That's been long overdue and will hopefully help Matrix make inroads into more conservative organizations; I believe the tech is really promising. It's a definite liability, trying to introduce people to Matrix, when the de-facto default client's name evokes all kinds of unhelpful associations – it doesn't sound like work at all and it does sound like gamers, toys, apparently even like a far-left political organisati…

Does the name really inhibit adoption in a corporate environment that much, or is it just an excuse people put down in questionnaires? Plenty of popular tools with questionable names. Splunk and slack comes to mind.

purely anecdotal but I've seen it twice that a piece of software was rejected because of a weird name.

Probably doesn't happen often, but there's people when they have a few alternatives they'll just throw the strange sounding one out first.

Re: Riot is now Element

#56

Post by neiljohnson »

bkor wrote: post #41
thaumasiotes wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, quoting them: > We’re obviously aware that Element is (once again) both a dictionary word and a mathematical term - but in practice, looking at search results for Element right now, the top hits are for dictionary sites(!) and the field is wide open.

I tried searching for Element in the Google Play store. It suggests an app dedicated to Asian gay men. The website directs to Riot.im. From the article: > RiotX (our ground-up rewrite of Riot Android) has exited beta, and replaces Riot Android as Element RiotX I can find/see, but it shows as a beta. It's not called Element. I guess it's a slow rollout? I used Riot ages ago, it was the suggested solution to have IRC o…

The new app is with Google, we're just waiting on them and it will be live asap.

Folks on iOS can pick it up here https://apps.apple.com/app/vector/id1083446067

Re: Riot is now Element

#57

Post by sanqui »

starfallg wrote: post #51
dividedbyzero wrote: post #15

That's been long overdue and will hopefully help Matrix make inroads into more conservative organizations; I believe the tech is really promising. It's a definite liability, trying to introduce people to Matrix, when the de-facto default client's name evokes all kinds of unhelpful associations – it doesn't sound like work at all and it does sound like gamers, toys, apparently even like a far-left political organisati…

Does the name really inhibit adoption in a corporate environment that much, or is it just an excuse people put down in questionnaires? Plenty of popular tools with questionable names. Splunk and slack comes to mind.

I'd think I'm far from the only one who finds CockroachDB simply repulsive merely for its name.

Re: Riot is now Element

#58

Post by zanny »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #53
neiljohnson wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Element is end to end encrypted by default for private rooms and 1:1 chats, but the Matrix protocol does not mandate the use of end to end encryption since it doesn't make sense for some use cases, particularly for public world readable rooms and IoT application. There are organisations today that use Element without e2ee, though in practice we find that most see e2ee as a plus point - especially with the recent UX i…

Good to know that it can be used without e2e encryption. I don't see e2e as a plus point in a corporate environment because there is always a need to retrieve communications in some cases (which has nothing to do with UX).

Since you run the matrix server in that environment you can add a hook for a master corporate account to be auto included in every room made. It would then be privy to any encryption keys.

Re: Riot is now Element

#59

Post by Certhas »

dividedbyzero wrote: post #15

That's been long overdue and will hopefully help Matrix make inroads into more conservative organizations; I believe the tech is really promising. It's a definite liability, trying to introduce people to Matrix, when the de-facto default client's name evokes all kinds of unhelpful associations – it doesn't sound like work at all and it does sound like gamers, toys, apparently even like a far-left political organisati…

This comment section is remarkable. If the name change is perceived to be in order to be welcoming to corporate, nobody has a problem with that. Imagine if the name change was perceived to be in order to be more welcoming to underrepresented people. We would have endless discussions about pc culture, and how the name is not bad at all, etc...

Re: Riot is now Element

#60

Post by sam_goody »

sanqui wrote: post #57
starfallg wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does the name really inhibit adoption in a corporate environment that much, or is it just an excuse people put down in questionnaires? Plenty of popular tools with questionable names. Splunk and slack comes to mind.

I'd think I'm far from the only one who finds CockroachDB simply repulsive merely for its name.

OT, but I refer to it as RoachDB and that helps a lot.

Roach could be a last name, or a type of chocolate...

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