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Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by Arathorn »

jayp1418 wrote: post #160
neiljohnson wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Matrix is the protocol, Element is a client to access Matrix which it does so via a matrix homeserver (which then federates across the rest of the Matrix). So Element is free to use, but there are a range of servers to choose from. The matrix.org server is free to use, though as the largest single instance on the public federation is run on a best effort basis. Alternatives are to either host your own server, or have…

Yes but does EMS allow white labeling clients also ?

EMS lets you point your own DNS at your client as well as customise the branding. Beyond that, you can run/fork your own client too.

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by supportlocal4h »

snarfy wrote: post #198
_8j50 wrote: post #85

No!!! Of all the names in the world why this. "Hey bro, let's chat on Element" ,not quite a ring to it. The hardest problem in computer science strikes again! Matrix,Riot and Libolm are epic projects, I wish them all the success but man, even Riot was a hard sell as a brand. I would seriously be dissapointed if it loses popularity over this. I don't think the project maintainers understand that their core users/fans…

It fails the two syllable rule. All the best companies/bands/groups have two syllable names. If by chance a company succeeds without the two syllable name, a two syllable pseudonym will materialize.

Like Toyota

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by worble »

snarfy wrote: post #198
_8j50 wrote: post #85

No!!! Of all the names in the world why this. "Hey bro, let's chat on Element" ,not quite a ring to it. The hardest problem in computer science strikes again! Matrix,Riot and Libolm are epic projects, I wish them all the success but man, even Riot was a hard sell as a brand. I would seriously be dissapointed if it loses popularity over this. I don't think the project maintainers understand that their core users/fans…

It fails the two syllable rule. All the best companies/bands/groups have two syllable names. If by chance a company succeeds without the two syllable name, a two syllable pseudonym will materialize.

>a two syllable pseudonym will materialize

Hmm, which sounds better?

"Let's chat on the 'ment"

"Let's chat on Ele"

I'm trying to guess which will get used. I'm thinking the second one.

Or maybe just drop the 'e' and say "Let's talk on el'ment"?

That might confuse some Europeans though, maybe just "e'ment" is better.

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by sethammons »

snarfy wrote: post #198
_8j50 wrote: post #85

No!!! Of all the names in the world why this. "Hey bro, let's chat on Element" ,not quite a ring to it. The hardest problem in computer science strikes again! Matrix,Riot and Libolm are epic projects, I wish them all the success but man, even Riot was a hard sell as a brand. I would seriously be dissapointed if it loses popularity over this. I don't think the project maintainers understand that their core users/fans…

It fails the two syllable rule. All the best companies/bands/groups have two syllable names. If by chance a company succeeds without the two syllable name, a two syllable pseudonym will materialize.

Toshiba, Mercedes, IBM, Microsoft, ycombinator, and my humble employer is Twilio. That is 10 seconds of names off the top of my head. I guess Mercedes is often shortened to Benz.

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by bovermyer »

rvz wrote: post #189
bovermyer wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're allowed to dislike the name. I like the new name. If you're pissed about Element, you must be absolutely livid about Apple.

> If you're pissed about Element, you must be absolutely livid about Apple. Nope. 'Apple Computer Inc.' already marketed themselves specifically first in 'computers' and that association was built over the years. After they had success in products that weren't attached to only 'desktop/laptop computers' it made sense to remove 'Computer' from the name. The same was done for Tesla Motors Inc. to Tesla Inc. This is mor…

Sorry, you missed the point of my comment. I was addressing the original commenter's dislike of the specific name Element because of its generic nature.

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Post by rglullis »

rglullis wrote: post #124
_8j50 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey, I remember seeing your reply, I didn't want to provide contact info on a public forum, and I have developed a severe allergy to email. I am very intetested in paying for the product you linked, so long as I don't need email. I will support your product, even with imperfections so long as you remain attentive to your user's needs (hopefully being a paid product helps in that area) And for anyone else reading, I b…

No, you don't need email to signup or register. Just email/password. You can invite other people to join the site, and yes, that is basically asking people to put an email address to notify your friends. I might implement later a referral/voucher system to make it easy to invite someone to join your paid contract without having to provide an email, but this is somewhat of a lower priority during the soft launch. Docu…

Just realized that I meant you need only username/password. To reiterate, email is not needed at all.

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by ndarilek »

Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #173
_8j50 wrote: post #85

No!!! Of all the names in the world why this. "Hey bro, let's chat on Element" ,not quite a ring to it. The hardest problem in computer science strikes again! Matrix,Riot and Libolm are epic projects, I wish them all the success but man, even Riot was a hard sell as a brand. I would seriously be dissapointed if it loses popularity over this. I don't think the project maintainers understand that their core users/fans…

Whatsapp can be an extremely confusing name for non-native English speakers. I'm from Spain and I think 90% of the time I see it written in Spain, it's written wrong (wassap, whasapp, wuatsapp, whatsap, watsap, wuassap, wuassapp, whatsup, watsup, etc.). Sometimes a phonetically "transliterated" version is used instead, like "guasap", which I find more tolerable because at least then it becomes a genuine Spanish word,…

Wow, native English speaker and I didn't even get the pun until this comment. I thought it was a stupid play on "What app should we message each other on?" and thus kind of a silly name. But folks use it regardless.

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by slightwinder »

neiljohnson wrote: post #37
rvz wrote: post #32

While a name change was a sensible move, I had very high hopes for them to choose a saner non-technical one with a more user-friendly focus, but this name sounds very generic and is more cryptic that "Signal". They now have to do some serious SEO to be the first result on a Google search of "Element".

Sorry you don't like the name, hopefully it will grow on you. On SEO, quoting from the post itself "We’re obviously aware that Element is (once again) both a dictionary word and a mathematical term - but in practice, looking at search results for Element right now, the top hits are for dictionary sites(!) and the field is wide open. Conversely, in a virgin browser on VPN, Riot is the 4th hit on Google for Riot; secon…

Maybe your Google-Bubble is just broken? For me searching for Element brings up mostly companies and products which are using this name. Just a low number of results are dictionaries and knowledge-sites. Good luck competing with all of them.
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