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Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by bkor »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #18
shash7 wrote: post #11

Do these people care about search results? With a name like that, most people will have a difficult time searching for element related stuff.

Well, quoting them: > We’re obviously aware that Element is (once again) both a dictionary word and a mathematical term - but in practice, looking at search results for Element right now, the top hits are for dictionary sites(!) and the field is wide open.

I tried searching for Element in the Google Play store. It suggests an app dedicated to Asian gay men. The website directs to Riot.im.

From the article: > RiotX (our ground-up rewrite of Riot Android) has exited beta, and replaces Riot Android as Element

RiotX I can find/see, but it shows as a beta. It's not called Element.

I guess it's a slow rollout?

I used Riot ages ago, it was the suggested solution to have IRC on mobile. It wasn't that reliable plus it was crazy slow (search . They now suggest Rocket chat, it isn't slow but it doesn't do IRC. So now the community is divided across loads of platforms. There's also some web based things, e.g. Discourse, some still use mailing lists, etc. Plus things like Gitlab. It used to be much easier to follow things ("lurk").

Re: Riot is now Element

#42

Post by mytailorisrich »

dividedbyzero wrote: post #15

That's been long overdue and will hopefully help Matrix make inroads into more conservative organizations; I believe the tech is really promising. It's a definite liability, trying to introduce people to Matrix, when the de-facto default client's name evokes all kinds of unhelpful associations – it doesn't sound like work at all and it does sound like gamers, toys, apparently even like a far-left political organisati…

If I'm an organisation, e.g. a company, I don't want end-to-end encryption, I want to make sure I have access to all messages within the company and between employees.

So I'm not sure a tool that is encrypted end-to-end will be that appealing to me not matter the name unless there is a feature around that.

On the other hand, individuals who are savvy enough to look for such a tool may not worry too much about the name.

Re: Riot is now Element

#43

Post by hoffs »

teruakohatu wrote: post #34
LarvaFX wrote: post #33

I don't like the name because it is so generic and for me the word invokes no association with communication whatsoever.

I just think Element14. I agree with you, it is so generic as to be meaningless. Signal makes sense. iMessage & Facetime do what they say. Whatsapp at least sounds like a fun app even if the name is meaningless.

I think of Element the skateboarding company

Re: Riot is now Element

#44

Post by srg0 »

dividedbyzero wrote: post #15

That's been long overdue and will hopefully help Matrix make inroads into more conservative organizations; I believe the tech is really promising. It's a definite liability, trying to introduce people to Matrix, when the de-facto default client's name evokes all kinds of unhelpful associations – it doesn't sound like work at all and it does sound like gamers, toys, apparently even like a far-left political organisati…

looking at you, git

Re: Riot is now Element

#45

Post by snerbles »

echelon wrote: post #19

Speaking of names, I'm upset that the username I go by is taken. I'm echelon @ { gmail, HN, Twitter, Github, Gitlab, Square Cash, etc }, but found Riot / Matrix just a few months too late to get my username. I'm not satisfied with the "just stand up your own server" response as an alternative. I know it's cutting off my nose, but I've avoided using it because of this. I'm OCD about stupid usernames. I wish unused use…

You can set your display name to whatever you like, and there are loads of other federated homeservers besides matrix.org.

Re: Riot is now Element

#46

Post by auscompgeek »

bkor wrote: post #41
thaumasiotes wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, quoting them: > We’re obviously aware that Element is (once again) both a dictionary word and a mathematical term - but in practice, looking at search results for Element right now, the top hits are for dictionary sites(!) and the field is wide open.

I tried searching for Element in the Google Play store. It suggests an app dedicated to Asian gay men. The website directs to Riot.im. From the article: > RiotX (our ground-up rewrite of Riot Android) has exited beta, and replaces Riot Android as Element RiotX I can find/see, but it shows as a beta. It's not called Element. I guess it's a slow rollout? I used Riot ages ago, it was the suggested solution to have IRC o…

I presume it's in the usual Google Play review queue still. (Welcome to Android development.)

Re: Riot is now Element

#47

Post by oehtXRwMkIs »

srg0 wrote: post #44
dividedbyzero wrote: post #15

That's been long overdue and will hopefully help Matrix make inroads into more conservative organizations; I believe the tech is really promising. It's a definite liability, trying to introduce people to Matrix, when the de-facto default client's name evokes all kinds of unhelpful associations – it doesn't sound like work at all and it does sound like gamers, toys, apparently even like a far-left political organisati…

looking at you, git

funny thing about git is as a non-Brit, I thought for the longest time it was a made up word.

Re: Riot is now Element

#48

Post by easytiger »

Press release pro tip: sidle in what the company or app does very early in. Verging on all of the releases I read on HN don't do this but are for companies I've not heard of. So you leave knowing almost nothing about the company

Re: Riot is now Element

#49

Post by mitch-snipline »

hoffs wrote: post #43
teruakohatu wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just think Element14. I agree with you, it is so generic as to be meaningless. Signal makes sense. iMessage & Facetime do what they say. Whatsapp at least sounds like a fun app even if the name is meaningless.

I think of Element the skateboarding company

Same here.

Re: Riot is now Element

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Post by neiljohnson »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #42
dividedbyzero wrote: post #15

That's been long overdue and will hopefully help Matrix make inroads into more conservative organizations; I believe the tech is really promising. It's a definite liability, trying to introduce people to Matrix, when the de-facto default client's name evokes all kinds of unhelpful associations – it doesn't sound like work at all and it does sound like gamers, toys, apparently even like a far-left political organisati…

If I'm an organisation, e.g. a company, I don't want end-to-end encryption, I want to make sure I have access to all messages within the company and between employees. So I'm not sure a tool that is encrypted end-to-end will be that appealing to me not matter the name unless there is a feature around that. On the other hand, individuals who are savvy enough to look for such a tool may not worry too much about the nam…

Element is end to end encrypted by default for private rooms and 1:1 chats, but the Matrix protocol does not mandate the use of end to end encryption since it doesn't make sense for some use cases, particularly for public world readable rooms and IoT application.

There are organisations today that use Element without e2ee, though in practice we find that most see e2ee as a plus point - especially with the recent UX improvements (https://element.io/blog/e2e-encryption-by-default-cross-sign...).

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