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Re: Resignation Letter

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Post by MagnumOpus »

cm2187 wrote: post #472
mancerayder wrote: post #337

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's pretty obvious what the new orthodoxy is, and she gave some examples of it. How many more questions do you want to ask? The NYT is condoning high school student canceling each other, hiding anti-Semitism from certain writers they like based on the obvious factors, making wild narratives about US history (like their Revolutionary War revisionism), and most importantly, unlike papers like the Financial Tim…

I don't remember seeing a single pro-brexit op-ed in the FT. The FT isn't publishing competing views. It very much aligned itself to the NYT's "only the facts that fits the narrative" approach.

There are also no pro-pollution op-eds, or anti-vaccine op-ends in the FT, because they hold themselves to a standard of not publishing "he-said-she-said" fair-and-balanced views, but to give some insight into which of the two sides of an argument seems to have evidence on its side. Brexiters didn't (and don't) have the facts or watertight arguments on theirs side, especially economically speaking.

Re: Resignation Letter

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Post by cm2187 »

MagnumOpus wrote: post #671
cm2187 wrote: post #472

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't remember seeing a single pro-brexit op-ed in the FT. The FT isn't publishing competing views. It very much aligned itself to the NYT's "only the facts that fits the narrative" approach.

There are also no pro-pollution op-eds, or anti-vaccine op-ends in the FT, because they hold themselves to a standard of not publishing "he-said-she-said" fair-and-balanced views, but to give some insight into which of the two sides of an argument seems to have evidence on its side. Brexiters didn't (and don't) have the facts or watertight arguments on theirs side, especially economically speaking.

“The facts are all on my side”, “anyone who disagree with me has either evil motives or is an idiot”, etc... is the sort of illiberal approach to political discourse which is exactly what triggered the resignation letter.

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Post by areeh »

TeaDrunk wrote: post #386
wait_a_minute wrote: post #6

That this is true at what is supposed to be a reputable publication like The New York Times makes me worried for companies and less known publications. Because if it's happening at the elite end of what is supposed to be curiosity-driven investigation, why wouldn't it be happening elsewhere? And so you end up with a culture where you can't speak about anything, where challenging the orthodoxy means you'll be forced i…

Bari Weiss is bringing politics into her behavior- she was tweeting insults about her own co workers during a meeting about the journalistic direction of the company she is participating in the journalistic direction of. If this came from anyone else she'd be fired immediately.

I've seen this comment a few times, but I haven't seen a source yet. Can you provide one?

Re: Resignation Letter

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Post by iateanapple »

hoteltree wrote: post #652
iateanapple wrote: post #551

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They seem the same to me? You are saying you wouldn’t hire them because they wouldn’t fit into your work culture right? Or are you saying you wouldn’t hire them because you don’t like their beliefs?

Those two things are not the same. One is a statement made by a candidate that is at best insensitive to people of different races. The other is a poorly specified scenario where a black person does not fit in? For what reason do they not fit in? Is it because of their race or something else.

> One is a statement made by a candidate that is at best insensitive to people of different races.

It sounds like the parent thought the dev wouldn’t fit in with the other team members and so didn’t hire him.

> The other is a poorly specified scenario where a black person does not fit in?

It’s hard to fit in when you are a small minority.

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Post by TomSwirly »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #27

> Twitter is not on the masthead of The New York Times. But Twitter has become its ultimate editor. As the ethics and mores of that platform have become those of the paper, the paper itself has increasingly become a kind of performance space. Stories are chosen and told in a way to satisfy the narrowest of audiences, rather than to allow a curious public to read about the world and then draw their own conclusions. I…

> Can't anyone there see past the current insanity and think?

"I am the voice of reason!! All must think as I do! Can't you see?"

She has set out to be combative and say things that a lot of people find repugnant. In particular, she has publicly mocked many of her coworkers, which isn't really a great way to make friends in the workplace.

She presents no actual examples of misconduct against her either. Near as I can tell, she's leaving because she perceives people don't like her.

Well, it's their right not to like her, as long as they obey the rules. The world won't miss her strident and dishonest voice.

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Post by poutrathor »

gwright wrote: post #424
orwin wrote: post #354

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> But, in 2020 you cannot question or be skeptical of the "progressive" agenda. Merely hinting that you are not fully bought in will get you labeled as a racist, or even worse these days, a "Conservative". Is it really the case? Or is it a perception you have? I've become less and less liberal the past three months, for multiple reasons, and at least in my liberal bubble, i did not face any backlash.

> Is it really the case? Pretty hard to answer that question in HN with anything other than another anecdote, but I would personally answer that question with "yes". I have seen this behavior on several online forums I am in (including HN) as well as in real-world settings. The well-documented incidents with "non-left" speakers on college campuses is another data point. Take a look at the insanity that happened at Ev…

Evergreen seems to be an extreme occurrence, ain't it ? College campuses are also a small, very small part of USA ; though quite influential. But if college campuses were a correct representation of the people, most current world leaders would not be in charge xD

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Post by areeh »

minikites wrote: post #586
seibelj wrote: post #540

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Again, it was an opinion held by 58% of America (using military to quell looting and property destruction), by a US Senator. Op-eds are the opinion of the writer - that's why they are in the Opinion page. You are acting like Tom Cotton was advocating for some extreme far-right minority view held by only a tiny fraction of insane people, rather than the majority opinion.

So an idea is automatically moral if a majority of people approve of it?

Why the "so"? I did not see an implication in his argument that it is automatically moral

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Post by [deleted] »

TomSwirly wrote: post #675
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #27

> Twitter is not on the masthead of The New York Times. But Twitter has become its ultimate editor. As the ethics and mores of that platform have become those of the paper, the paper itself has increasingly become a kind of performance space. Stories are chosen and told in a way to satisfy the narrowest of audiences, rather than to allow a curious public to read about the world and then draw their own conclusions. I…

> Can't anyone there see past the current insanity and think? "I am the voice of reason!! All must think as I do! Can't you see?" She has set out to be combative and say things that a lot of people find repugnant. In particular, she has publicly mocked many of her coworkers, which isn't really a great way to make friends in the workplace. She presents no actual examples of misconduct against her either. Near as I can…

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Re: Resignation Letter

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Post by throwaway894345 »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #641
throwaway894345 wrote: post #623

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So are you making the “small vocal minority” argument? “Most progressives are principled liberals who condemn cancellation but we never hear from them”? And why are you focusing so much on doctrine as though progressive doctrine and not progressive behavior is on trial. I take very little consolation from the idea that progressive doctrine condemns cancellation or that in theory progressives ought to be tolerant and…

What does "progressive behavior" mean? What does "conservative behavior" mean? The sort of thing typically being discussed here (in relation to so-called "cancel culture") typically involve the action of a few thousand (or less) people working almost entirely online or within the context of a small social context (for example a college). For me, what matters are policies enacted that have the power to affect thousand…

By “progressive behavior” I meant “how progressives have been behaving”. Cancelling and defending cancellation. As far as I’m aware, there is no significant number of progressives who have condemned this behavior, although I could be mistaken or perhaps you would define “progressives” differently such that it largely excludes those who cancel and approve of cancellation (I have no interest in these semantic debates). You may not be interested in cancel culture, but I am—it chills speech, hinders the very debate we need to move forward on many issues, and sets a precedent that conservatives could use if they decided to be so illiberal.

Re: Resignation Letter

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Post by thu2111 »

randomsearch wrote: post #669
thu2111 wrote: post #668

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Less biased on what topics? Both are notoriously, extremely biased on all kinds of topics, for example Brexit/the EU. The Financial Times actually flies the EU flag above its offices: rather hard to get a clearer statement of bias than that.

> Both are notoriously, extremely biased on all kinds of topics That's a strong claim without evidence.

Well, I provided some evidence for the FT. Do you think a newspaper that literally flies the flag of a foreign government over its offices is going to be critical of that government?

I'm not sure how you'd prove this rigorously though. Just look at other comments in this thread. One commenter observes he never saw a pro-Brexit op-ed in the FT, ever. They're always anti.

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