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Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Post by pas »

cm2187 wrote: post #108
rich_sasha wrote: post #38

If this is just Realpolitik/hardware independence, fine, but security..? Any worthwhile Internet traffic should be encrypted in 2020, and if it isn’t, Huawei probably isn’t the most immediate concern. And if it is encrypted, does it really matter who is listening? Comments welcome, I know zilch about telecoms hardware.

Even if everything was encrypted (which is not the case) and that encryption could not be downgraded by a mitm (which is not the case - cf starttls), it can still be used to track whereabouts, or disrupt the connectivity or utilise any mitm zero day. But a good question would be why 5g, and not every other computer chip in any computer and network equipment, which could be backdoored, and I doubt anyone verified the…

5G is the line in the sand. It's basically the point of no return, we're fully and firmly in the "cyber era" or whatever we want to call it. Where (when) even the backup and disaster recovery plans are (at least partially) Internet dependent.

Going forward this kind of infrastructure will probably be more important than any other kind (because this will control all the others too).

Will this finally move the cost-benefit needle toward verifiable computing (open chips, open fabs, open *ware)? Who knows. But so far it seems the power brokers of the old era (eg. countries) are trying to maintain control.

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Post by toiletfuneral »

UnbugMe wrote: post #246
dang wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a stub comment to collect replies in one place. That way we can collapse it and prevent too much offtopicness at the top of thread.

[flagged]

Look I don't Dang either.

I feel like he nukes all my class war against the rich posts, but you have to realize I have personally accused of him fostering a white nationalist site for promoting assholes like you and also for hiding all my pro-communist comments.

So only one of us can be right, is dang a commie or nationalist?....or maybe everyone is complex and not entirely composed of a single ideology and also he was chosen to curate this website and that will ultimately anger both of us?

Anyway, here's the tea :https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23400445

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Post by remarkEon »

pqhwan wrote: post #350
stephenheron wrote: post #87

I would encourage people to read the NCSC blog post on this as it goes into technical detail on why the decision was made. https://www.ncsc.gov.uk/blog-post/a-different-future-for-tel...

Effectively US is pulling US-made chip design tools from under huawei’s manufacturing process. Seems that the political calculus is that this will damage huawei’s standing, at the expense of global technological cooperation. But to what end? It falls short of providing Huawei (and the state behind it) with incentives to be more transparent with their technology, and at best creates a necessity for them to become whol…

>It falls short of providing Huawei (and the state behind it) with incentives to be more transparent with their technology, and at best creates a necessity for them to become wholly independent in their process. I guess the US is betting they can’t pull this off...

Bingo. It seems like this is more a bet that they can't become wholly independent without the tooling itself, or can't become independent for a long while. I doubt it has much to do with "setting up incentives for transparency". I think the "will China become transparent about its actions" question is pretty much settled at this point.

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Post by msla »

jk20 wrote: post #60

U.S. is just concerned that China, and not them, will get an edge in spying and the next industrial revolution. Speaking of human rights it should be noted that U.S. not only wantonly attacks or bullies other countries, but it also has the highest incarceration rate in the world - in absolute terms the number of inmates is comparable to that of China and India combined.

Literally no country which fought the Nazis was completely moral.

Should nobody have fought the Nazis?

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Post by [deleted] »

GuiA wrote: post #285
dang wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a stub comment to collect replies in one place. That way we can collapse it and prevent too much offtopicness at the top of thread.

Attempts to build constructive conversations in these threads are almost always met with heavy flagging/downvoting. My own personal experience is that any comment that isn’t 100% backing the CCP falls to a negative score in a matter of minutes. Sometimes it goes back to 0/1 over the following hours, sometimes not. I’ve been on HN almost 10 years and that’s almost always been true, but it’s gotten much worse in recent…

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Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Post by msla »

euix wrote: post #379

Here is a meta comment: having read this entire thread, it's pretty obvious that if even reasonably educated and intelligent people on a technical forum like this descend into complete disagreement then one can think what happens among the society and people at large on both sides of the Pacific and how easily it is to descend into a conflict.

I wonder how much of the disagreement is paid-for, to ensure no actual discussion is allowed to break out.

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Post by Confiks »

GuiA wrote: post #316
dang wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> any comment that isn’t 100% backing the CCP falls to a negative score in a matter of minutes This is so bizarrely remote from accurate that I don't know what else to tell you. As far as I can tell, the only explanation for this sort of wild misassessment is that people's perceptions are extremely affected by their passions. The more passionate our beliefs, the more we simply can't see the datapoints that don't fit…

Ah yes dang. Users who are otherwise constructive members of the site break the rules only on CCP related threads. Not only that, but their rule breaking is only penalized in the minutes after which they post, only to slowly return to the mean over time. Keep telling yourself that.

If I look at your other posts, you're indeed pretty constructive elsewhere.

Then, don't you see that the claim you make, that "any comment that isn’t 100% backing the CCP falls to a negative score in a matter of minutes" is clearly false and an exaggeration? That lack of self-awareness is the reason your post is dead in a matter of minutes.

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Post by metiscus »

dicomdan wrote: post #355
dang wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Every time I see anything critical of the US / Europe / Canada and other liberal democracies it's sitting at the top, no matter how unsubstantiated The key word here is "see". The problem is that we mostly see what we're primed to notice—which is basically whatever we most dislike—and we simply don't see (or don't weight as heavily) all the cases that don't feel that way. This creates a feeling of "every" or "alway…

Thanks for the response. If you claim there's no bias, would you be willing to release the full list of posts that have been nudged / downranked from the front page by moderator or trusted users as part of a "HN transparency report"?

Even if that were to happen so what? It doesn't prove bias one way or another really.

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Post by Thorentis »

msla wrote: post #397
euix wrote: post #379

Here is a meta comment: having read this entire thread, it's pretty obvious that if even reasonably educated and intelligent people on a technical forum like this descend into complete disagreement then one can think what happens among the society and people at large on both sides of the Pacific and how easily it is to descend into a conflict.

I wonder how much of the disagreement is paid-for, to ensure no actual discussion is allowed to break out.

I automatically assume that astro-turfing happens on a large scale on every public forum. HN has been around long enough and has enough high profile people on it, to make it a target. The moderation is generally quite good, but unfortunately as the astro-turfing ramps up, the moderation will need to make HN a blander and blander place as any form of opinion is censored. We aren't there yet though, so enjoy it while you can!
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