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Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Post by simion314 »

georgespencer wrote: post #232
simion314 wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>That's newsworthy because it's unusual: western states are typically limited to publicly lobbying their corporations for backdoor access, or working around things like end-to-end encryption Isn't this contradicted by secret courts approving NAS warrants, loopholes like meta-data can is legal to collect, digital data is considered different that data you have on paper in your home etc. If CIA, NSA has some judge appr…

This is why the free press and personal liberty are vital components of most western civilisations: they act as a release valve for the sort of behaviours you talk about. What you are broadly driving at is the necessity for many areas of intelligence gathering and espionage to be invisible to the public eye. There is necessarily a strong tradition of civilian oversight of intelligence agencies in nearly every democra…

I agree, and I am not trying to say West and China are the same - the point I am struggling to make is that we might not have it as good as we think and there are many things hidden from us. How many time we see old documents released where US or other government was doing crazy shit - I mean is insanity to think that for some reason they stopped doing same level of insane stuff.

I seen a video a few months back about US military considering internet as a new area of war and considering how to engage in such war , it is clear that not only China is trying to push their propaganda but the others are doing a similar thing (again I am not trying to say is the exact same thing just trying to prevent everyone focusing too muc in one direction and not noticing what is happening behind their backs at home)

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Post by dang »

All: HN has been seeing a dismaying increase in nationalistic flamewar. This is not allowed here. I know it feels important when you're caught up in the intensity of such feelings, but it is not interesting, which is what HN is for. Worse, it has the effect on interesting discussion that tank battles have on a city park.

If you don't have something thoughtful and substantive to say, please don't post until you do. Drop denunciatory rhetoric—it's tedious and evokes worse from others.

Remember that the community is divided on divisive topics and that the person disagreeing with you is probably not a spy, but just someone who disagrees with you.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Post by fock »

londons_explore wrote: post #170
jaekash wrote: post #152

And we already know China has been backdooring other equipment: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-h... So yes, this is a small victory in a massive war.

The cost of that victory, according to the BBC, is a 1 year delay in the rollout of 5G tech. That's a pretty large economic cost. Bob can't watch his medical lectures on the train, so ends up behind in class, Mary's company looses a contract to a foreign competitor because she got frustrated with her bad VPN and didn't read over the bid one last time, Fred couldn't afford the cost of the new 5G contracts so didn't ge…

lately, more and more articles appear, which outline what's the real and actual economic cost of 5G: local area, decentral, unlicensed Wifi-networks should get replaced with a centrally managed and tunable (for $$$ or power) alternative. I suspected this for a long time, but now, more and more people are openly acknowledging it. While this is good for surveillance capitalism, it's not good for anyone else... (I'll happily add some refs, if I'm off the commute).

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Post by fock »

londons_explore wrote: post #214
nradov wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Existing 4G LTE connections work well enough for those use cases you listed; users will hardly notice any difference on 5G. The real benefit of 5G will be in the new types of applications it enables.

Today... But when webpages become 50 MB each on average, you're going to be waiting a long time for them to load over LTE... Those 'new applications' will be old applications with a few thousand more JavaScript libraries bundled with every page load...

so for everyone outside China/the US: what's the problem if you have to stop the consumption of surveillance tools?

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Post by fock »

jvanderbot wrote: post #197
cm2187 wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure if you are being sarcastic, but assuming you aren't. No consumer is asking for 5g, and I don't think any consumer will realise the difference. And not sure that 5g can do much good on a train, unless the train circles around inside a big city and never goes in the countryside where what matters is antenna with long range.

5g also doesn't beat my wifi. My wife and I slashed our data plans during COVID.

but your wifi is unreliable and slow. Instead of buying a good AP, buy this 5G modem for only $5 and get your nice, capped 20MBit/s for $200 a month. Isn't this just what you need, when every site is slowly just getting a fibre-connection theoretically allowing a community hosted mobile mesh-network in any city which deserves the name.

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Post by UnbugMe »

dang wrote: post #249
dang wrote: post #242

All: HN has been seeing a dismaying increase in nationalistic flamewar. This is not allowed here. I know it feels important when you're caught up in the intensity of such feelings, but it is not interesting , which is what HN is for. Worse, it has the effect on interesting discussion that tank battles have on a city park. If you don't have something thoughtful and substantive to say, please don't post until you do. D…

This is a stub comment to collect replies in one place. That way we can collapse it and prevent too much offtopicness at the top of thread.

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Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Post by fock »

mpfundstein wrote: post #204
londons_explore wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The cost of that victory, according to the BBC, is a 1 year delay in the rollout of 5G tech. That's a pretty large economic cost. Bob can't watch his medical lectures on the train, so ends up behind in class, Mary's company looses a contract to a foreign competitor because she got frustrated with her bad VPN and didn't read over the bid one last time, Fred couldn't afford the cost of the new 5G contracts so didn't ge…

i run my whole office on 4g (amsterdam, europe). it works super nicely. in fact often better than my wifi at home... 4g is everywhere in NL. it just works great whereever you are. so i really wonder where the immediate need for 5g is.

upselling it to everyone not satisfied with shitty wifi from their shittiest telco-modem/router/AP-abomination. And squeezing the lemon in the process.

Re: Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027

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Post by dang »

dang wrote: post #242

All: HN has been seeing a dismaying increase in nationalistic flamewar. This is not allowed here. I know it feels important when you're caught up in the intensity of such feelings, but it is not interesting , which is what HN is for. Worse, it has the effect on interesting discussion that tank battles have on a city park. If you don't have something thoughtful and substantive to say, please don't post until you do. D…

This is a stub comment to collect replies in one place. That way we can collapse it and prevent too much offtopicness at the top of thread.

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Post by _jgdh »

mrbonner wrote: post #235

It is increasingly appears that the CCP government wants to confront every countries at the same time. First, I thought this was just the power struggle/grab between US-CCP economically. Then, it spread to the political issues like the South China sea claims which pisses off Viet Nam, The Philippines , Taiwan. The CCP even manages to engage India into its territorial issue resulted in sanction from Indian gov. In the…

> it needs to find allies

No shortage of Chinese allies - 70+ countries supported China's recent change to Hong Kong's laws (https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1193422.shtml). Certainly none of these countries are bastions of freedom - North Korea, Venezuela, Chad, Myanmar, Cambodia, Kyrgyzstan. But all of them support China to the hilt. Tanzania didn't even stop with an endorsement of the HK law, they also felt it necessary to mention that Taiwan is a part of China. Turns out Chinese loans go a long way in creating a sense of gratitude.

All countries barring the US need China more than China needs them. And China only needs the US until it has semiconductors of it's own.

The US and EU were asleep at the wheel these last 30 years - allowing China to grow powerful without also creating a counterweight like India. Now the world's dependence on Chinese manufacturing and Chinese consumption means that no one dares to criticise China, and there's no shortage of countries lining up to praise every action of Comrade Xi's.

That's why China can screw over every neighbour, taking what they please. Who's going to stop them? Is Vietnam or Malaysia suddenly going to stand up to China? No, they will merely grumble. Is India willing to provoke an actual war? No, they will merely ban TikTok and call it a day.

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