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U.S. backs down in fight with Harvard, MIT over student visas
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#52Is this administration very incompetent, or very sadistic? If they rescinded the order, means they: 1) Didn't think through the consequences, or the legality of the order. 2) They just wanted to crate some chaos, and mess up with the foreign kids, while posturing to their base 3) Force universities to stay open in the middle of the pandemic in order to help Trump's reelection bid... (not sure how breakouts of covid i…
#2 - This was just a big distraction to get the ADD media to forget about Russian bounties on US troops.
I doubt the troops will forget it though and this will comeback as the election nears.
Re: U.S. backs down in fight with Harvard, MIT over student visas
#53> They cited time zone differences, unreliable or state-managed Internet and armed conflict in some of the students’ homelands. I think it would be enlightening to see transcripts of the moments where each side said something convincing to the other. Like...did Harvard representatives walk in and say "You know that this shit matters, right?" and then did the US representatives say "Oh shit. You're right. We never eve…
It's pretty plausible IMO that someone in the administration just told SEVP "hey, colleges are gonna reopen in the fall" and they didn't check to see if it was true.
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#54I'm not a lawyer, but how is it Harvard and MIT had standing in court for this case?
IAANAL but I think since they were demonstrably harmed by the policy, they can file suit against it.
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#55Another example of the haphazard throw-it-against-the-wall approach of what our country has chosen to have as our national experiment. This cannot be good for either side. Do we want to live in a system where if you hadn't been paying attention to the news for 1 week, we might have kicked >100,000 people out of the country? Is this ADD-style, whoever yells the loudest, social and political system working well for any…
Banning lobbying which is going to be a difficult battle for sure
“Lobbying” as the reflexive reason for all political ills is tiresome, especially considering aggressive lobbying by universities is likely what caused this reversal.
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#56Another example of the haphazard throw-it-against-the-wall approach of what our country has chosen to have as our national experiment. This cannot be good for either side. Do we want to live in a system where if you hadn't been paying attention to the news for 1 week, we might have kicked >100,000 people out of the country? Is this ADD-style, whoever yells the loudest, social and political system working well for any…
Taking a look at all the agency websites under the Executive branch gives a pretty incredible overview of how out-of-control it's gotten [1]. And the number of czars have been growing [2] under both Obama and Trump (though I guess this administration doesn't use that title)
[1] https://www.loc.gov/rr/news/fedgov.html [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._executive_branch_...
Re: U.S. backs down in fight with Harvard, MIT over student visas
#57Another example of the haphazard throw-it-against-the-wall approach of what our country has chosen to have as our national experiment. This cannot be good for either side. Do we want to live in a system where if you hadn't been paying attention to the news for 1 week, we might have kicked >100,000 people out of the country? Is this ADD-style, whoever yells the loudest, social and political system working well for any…
At least we haven't had a govt shutdown for a while, can't be long until the next one.
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#58> They cited time zone differences, unreliable or state-managed Internet and armed conflict in some of the students’ homelands. I think it would be enlightening to see transcripts of the moments where each side said something convincing to the other. Like...did Harvard representatives walk in and say "You know that this shit matters, right?" and then did the US representatives say "Oh shit. You're right. We never eve…
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Re: U.S. backs down in fight with Harvard, MIT over student visas
#59Another example of the haphazard throw-it-against-the-wall approach of what our country has chosen to have as our national experiment. This cannot be good for either side. Do we want to live in a system where if you hadn't been paying attention to the news for 1 week, we might have kicked >100,000 people out of the country? Is this ADD-style, whoever yells the loudest, social and political system working well for any…
If I understand correctly, this was always the policy, and they just took a few months longer than they should have to make an adjustment removing the rule for special pandemic circumstances.
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#60Can someone explain how foreign students taking online classes gives them ‘full rein’ and is a threat to national security? > ICE also contends that a full slate of virtual coursework compromises national security by giving foreign students free rein within the U.S., and says a freeze would undermine “the deference afforded administrative agencies in complex and interrelated fields like immigration enforcement.”
ICE stated they would have "free rein" not "full rein."
The argument is essentially that by allowing students to take online classes, they are free to travel anywhere within the united states. With mandatory in person classes, they would be restricted to being near campus.
The federal government would have a harder time keeping track of students, as their schools would no longer really have an idea if the students are nearby or not.
Which as others have pointed out, really grasping at straws, and if there is a a legitimate concern here, I'm certain that schools could come up with a system to keep tabs on their students visa holders.