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U.S. backs down in fight with Harvard, MIT over student visas

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Re: U.S. backs down in fight with Harvard, MIT over student visas

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Post by nine_zeros »

supernova87a wrote: post #18

Another example of the haphazard throw-it-against-the-wall approach of what our country has chosen to have as our national experiment. This cannot be good for either side. Do we want to live in a system where if you hadn't been paying attention to the news for 1 week, we might have kicked >100,000 people out of the country? Is this ADD-style, whoever yells the loudest, social and political system working well for any…

> Is this ADD-style, whoever yells the loudest, social and political system working well for anyone? How do we get past this?

Vote for someone who doesn't have a track record of bankruptcies and has respect from most of his ex-colleagues? Is this really that hard to grasp?

Re: U.S. backs down in fight with Harvard, MIT over student visas

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Post by wikiwawa »

HenryKissinger wrote: post #17
nine_zeros wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But this should never have been an issue to begin with, think of all the unnecessary stress and anxiety this has caused for the hundreds of thousands of international students impacted by this. More importantly, the long term damage is done. The noise was heard loud and clear that America is only as competent as its leader. Prospective future students are likely going to be ultra careful before choosing this countr…

The number of foreign students is at an all-time high.

Yes, in this case, probably the peak.

Re: U.S. backs down in fight with Harvard, MIT over student visas

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Post by tmountain »

supernova87a wrote: post #18

Another example of the haphazard throw-it-against-the-wall approach of what our country has chosen to have as our national experiment. This cannot be good for either side. Do we want to live in a system where if you hadn't been paying attention to the news for 1 week, we might have kicked >100,000 people out of the country? Is this ADD-style, whoever yells the loudest, social and political system working well for any…

Executive branch is overpowered partially because the senate refuses to do its job. The original intent was for the senate to be slower moving and "cool" house legislation leading to slower moving governing structures. Over time, the executive branch was given additional power to "get stuff done", and we find ourselves in the situation we have today.

Re: U.S. backs down in fight with Harvard, MIT over student visas

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Post by ben7799 »

ardit33 wrote: post #7

Is this administration very incompetent, or very sadistic? If they rescinded the order, means they: 1) Didn't think through the consequences, or the legality of the order. 2) They just wanted to crate some chaos, and mess up with the foreign kids, while posturing to their base 3) Force universities to stay open in the middle of the pandemic in order to help Trump's reelection bid... (not sure how breakouts of covid i…

#2 - This was just a big distraction to get the ADD media to forget about Russian bounties on US troops.

Re: U.S. backs down in fight with Harvard, MIT over student visas

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Post by wittyreference »

nine_zeros wrote: post #21
supernova87a wrote: post #18

Another example of the haphazard throw-it-against-the-wall approach of what our country has chosen to have as our national experiment. This cannot be good for either side. Do we want to live in a system where if you hadn't been paying attention to the news for 1 week, we might have kicked >100,000 people out of the country? Is this ADD-style, whoever yells the loudest, social and political system working well for any…

> Is this ADD-style, whoever yells the loudest, social and political system working well for anyone? How do we get past this? Vote for someone who doesn't have a track record of bankruptcies and has respect from most of his ex-colleagues? Is this really that hard to grasp?

The election of the current president is part of a currently-elected congress, and an appointed judiciary, emerging from larger cultural and economic trends, that all play their role in giving rise to our current situation.

This moment was caused by more than the election of Trump; it will need to be resolved by more than the election of non-Trump.

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." - HL Mencken

Re: U.S. backs down in fight with Harvard, MIT over student visas

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Post by lioeters »

HenryKissinger wrote: post #17
nine_zeros wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But this should never have been an issue to begin with, think of all the unnecessary stress and anxiety this has caused for the hundreds of thousands of international students impacted by this. More importantly, the long term damage is done. The noise was heard loud and clear that America is only as competent as its leader. Prospective future students are likely going to be ultra careful before choosing this countr…

The number of foreign students is at an all-time high.

According to a Forbes article:

> The number of international students enrolled in U.S. universities declined again in 2018-19, extending the slide in enrolled international students to a second year in a row.

> That’s one of the main takeaways from the 2019 Open Doors Report on International Educational Exchange, which was released today by the Institute of International Education (IIE) and the U.S. Department of State’s Bureau of Educational and Cultural Affairs.

From: https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2019/11/18/inte...

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However, the linked report starts out:

> The number of international students in the United States set an all-time high in the 2018/19 academic year, the fourth consecutive year with more than one million international students.

> The total number of international students, 1,095,299, is a 0.05 percent increase over last year, according to the 2019 Open Doors Report on International Educational Exchange.

From: https://www.iie.org/en/Why-IIE/Announcements/2019/11/Number-...

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