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U.S. backs down in fight with Harvard, MIT over student visas

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Re: U.S. backs down in fight with Harvard, MIT over student visas

#11
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Excellent. The system worked this time. People challenged executive branch action through the judicial system and the executive branch backed down. But this should never have been an issue to begin with, think of all the unnecessary stress and anxiety this has caused for the hundreds of thousands of international students impacted by this.

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Re: U.S. backs down in fight with Harvard, MIT over student visas

#12
post #4

This article doesn't seem to go into much detail. Does anyone know if this applies to all colleges or just Harvard? I'm digging around online now but my search skills are failing me

All colleges. Harvard was only among the first to challenge it.

Re: U.S. backs down in fight with Harvard, MIT over student visas

#13
post #7

Is this administration very incompetent, or very sadistic? If they rescinded the order, means they: 1) Didn't think through the consequences, or the legality of the order. 2) They just wanted to crate some chaos, and mess up with the foreign kids, while posturing to their base 3) Force universities to stay open in the middle of the pandemic in order to help Trump's reelection bid... (not sure how breakouts of covid i…

2 is the answer. They probably hardly cared whether the rule was successfully implemented. They succeeded in spreading FUD and in the future, prospective international students will think twice before deciding to study in the US. The damage is done.

More likely, some will think twice and most will still come

Re: U.S. backs down in fight with Harvard, MIT over student visas

#14
post #6

Excellent. The system worked this time. People challenged executive branch action through the judicial system and the executive branch backed down. But this should never have been an issue to begin with, think of all the unnecessary stress and anxiety this has caused for the hundreds of thousands of international students impacted by this.

> But this should never have been an issue to begin with, think of all the unnecessary stress and anxiety this has caused for the hundreds of thousands of international students impacted by this.

More importantly, the long term damage is done. The noise was heard loud and clear that America is only as competent as its leader. Prospective future students are likely going to be ultra careful before choosing this country.

Re: U.S. backs down in fight with Harvard, MIT over student visas

#15
Can someone explain how foreign students taking online classes gives them ‘full rein’ and is a threat to national security?

> ICE also contends that a full slate of virtual coursework compromises national security by giving foreign students free rein within the U.S., and says a freeze would undermine “the deference afforded administrative agencies in complex and interrelated fields like immigration enforcement.”

Re: U.S. backs down in fight with Harvard, MIT over student visas

#16
post #4

This article doesn't seem to go into much detail. Does anyone know if this applies to all colleges or just Harvard? I'm digging around online now but my search skills are failing me

All colleges. Harvard was only among the first to challenge it.

awesome, thanks for the info :)

Re: U.S. backs down in fight with Harvard, MIT over student visas

#17
post #6

Excellent. The system worked this time. People challenged executive branch action through the judicial system and the executive branch backed down. But this should never have been an issue to begin with, think of all the unnecessary stress and anxiety this has caused for the hundreds of thousands of international students impacted by this.

> But this should never have been an issue to begin with, think of all the unnecessary stress and anxiety this has caused for the hundreds of thousands of international students impacted by this. More importantly, the long term damage is done. The noise was heard loud and clear that America is only as competent as its leader. Prospective future students are likely going to be ultra careful before choosing this countr…

The number of foreign students is at an all-time high.

Re: U.S. backs down in fight with Harvard, MIT over student visas

#18
Another example of the haphazard throw-it-against-the-wall approach of what our country has chosen to have as our national experiment.

This cannot be good for either side. Do we want to live in a system where if you hadn't been paying attention to the news for 1 week, we might have kicked >100,000 people out of the country?

Is this ADD-style, whoever yells the loudest, social and political system working well for anyone? How do we get past this?

Re: U.S. backs down in fight with Harvard, MIT over student visas

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But this should never have been an issue to begin with, think of all the unnecessary stress and anxiety this has caused for the hundreds of thousands of international students impacted by this. More importantly, the long term damage is done. The noise was heard loud and clear that America is only as competent as its leader. Prospective future students are likely going to be ultra careful before choosing this countr…

The number of foreign students is at an all-time high.

> The number of foreign students is at an all-time high.

Don't get me wrong but do you always look at historical numbers to predict the future?

Re: U.S. backs down in fight with Harvard, MIT over student visas

#20
post #6

Excellent. The system worked this time. People challenged executive branch action through the judicial system and the executive branch backed down. But this should never have been an issue to begin with, think of all the unnecessary stress and anxiety this has caused for the hundreds of thousands of international students impacted by this.

> But this should never have been an issue to begin with, think of all the unnecessary stress and anxiety this has caused for the hundreds of thousands of international students impacted by this. More importantly, the long term damage is done. The noise was heard loud and clear that America is only as competent as its leader. Prospective future students are likely going to be ultra careful before choosing this countr…

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