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Post by gfodor »

srpablo wrote: post #331
gfodor wrote: post #46

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Hilarious that the top comment exemplifies the problem. It seems few today are still able to engage with ideas directly, always trying to filter them through some, any, lens to discredit the ones they don’t like. Sometimes it’s attacking the speaker, sometimes their associations, sometimes the tweets they have “liked.” If all else fails, seek out language in the text itself for unfalsifiable “dog whistles” that allow…

If I say "only weak people would choose to smoke; and I have never been weak" you don't think pointing out that I was once a smoker is relevant? Who's really making the contortions here?

Nobody is ignoring the smoking history of people who make claims about quitting smoking.

But a lot of people are rejecting such claims on their surface if they come from someone who smoked, or knows a smoker, or was once rumored to have sat in the smoking section of a restaurant 20 years ago. (As if that should be tolerable by anyone other than someone who, in their heart of hearts, is a smoker even if they’ve never actually been seen with a lit cigarette before.)

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Post by banads »

jimbokun wrote: post #311
banads wrote: post #285

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>alternative that does the work of collective discovery. The library

By buying a subscription to the Times for its patrons?

Studying human history and philosophy provides much greater insights into human affairs than reading click bait or partisan propaganda

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Post by jrumbut »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #348
jrumbut wrote: post #153

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They have 1,600 journalists last year that were sent to 150 countries [1]. What other organization is doing anything like that effort to gather facts around the world? Who is doing more collective discovery (and making it accessible to the public at a price an average person can afford)? I can only think of a handful of organizations that are serious candidates (Reuters? The BBC? Wikipedia?). Weird puff pieces, drama…

the FT do a pretty good job, without as much of the problematic editorials. Probably not as useful to you if you're US based, but I find it really useful for living in Europe.

I wish I could award you several upvotes for answering my question.

I really like FT myself. I am not in business so much but I think business news sources often get at a lot of interesting angles that others miss.

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Post by umeshunni »

GaryNumanVevo wrote: post #305
jimbokun wrote: post #251

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They are getting low level employees fired from their jobs, though. They have a lot of power in educational institutes, media organizations and HR departments.

> They are getting low level employees fired from their jobs This is an interesting intersection. It either implies that all employers are left-aligned (not true) and therefore willing to fire employees that hold right-leaning opinions, OR that low level employees are so expendable that it literally any reason can get them fired if enough people complain.

> OR that low level employees are so expendable that it literally any reason can get them fired if enough people complain.

It's mostly this. When you're a small-medium business, the last thing you want is negative PR and people canceling or DDOSing you because one of your employees wrongthinked.

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Post by Acrobatic_Road »

maxwin wrote: post #345
mikece wrote: post #3

"Instead, a new consensus has emerged in the press, but perhaps especially at [the New York Times]: that truth isn't a process of collective discovery, but an orthodoxy already known to an enlightened few whose job is to inform everyone else." This is a very key point, and what are the consequences of "informing everyone of a truth" that doesn't accurately reflect -- of even contradicts! -- reality? Harm to the reput…

“Especially at the New York Times” ??? Seriously? How about Fox News. NYT May have some issues but they are still 1000X more accurate and honest than conservative media like Fox News. Media like Fox News is destroying America. That’s the real danger.

If your standard of truth is the narrative of the week at the NYT then Fox News would seem to be dishonest and untruthful.

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Post by TeaDrunk »

wait_a_minute wrote: post #6

That this is true at what is supposed to be a reputable publication like The New York Times makes me worried for companies and less known publications. Because if it's happening at the elite end of what is supposed to be curiosity-driven investigation, why wouldn't it be happening elsewhere? And so you end up with a culture where you can't speak about anything, where challenging the orthodoxy means you'll be forced i…

Bari Weiss is bringing politics into her behavior- she was tweeting insults about her own co workers during a meeting about the journalistic direction of the company she is participating in the journalistic direction of. If this came from anyone else she'd be fired immediately.

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Post by arminiusreturns »

jrumbut wrote: post #360
rbecker wrote: post #284

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Even ten times that many journalists will do you no good, when what they report is filtered according to some pre-concieved view of the world (or the journalists themselves are only hired if they share that view: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nBx-37c3c8 ).

Noam Chomsky says a lot of interesting stuff but he published his writings on 9/11 a couple months after the attacks (and he certainly has his own ideological filters). He's an essayist, a linguist, but not a news source. I'm looking for the better alternative to the NYT here. Where would you go for information if I told you about some surprising event occurred and people on Twitter are posting very different stateme…

I've said this before, and I'll say it again:

Stop trusting outlets. Find journalists with integrity and follow everything they do, no matter the outlet.

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Post by orwin »

jimbokun wrote: post #270
deleuze wrote: post #61

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I'll start caring more about this "silencing" once the NYT editorial board starts including viewpoints that are actually silenced in our society. Until then, it's just whining about no longer being free from criticism.

What viewpoints? Are we just supposed to guess, or automatically know which viewpoints you mean?

Communism division of work, central planning for college-level education?

Worker cooperative can be more efficient than traditional company in some sectors, did you ever read any piece on that?

I mean, the two time i went in the US, i was in really liberal and even socialist environment, and very few seems to even have heard of worker cooperative, so it would be surprising, but HN always surprise me positively, so why not.

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Post by umeshunni »

some-guy wrote: post #260
quotemstr wrote: post #174

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Being barred from employment in your industry due to your non-work-related political opinion and affiliations is literally McCarthyism though.

I was interviewing a candidate last year for a software engineering position. Interview was fine and he was capable. I decided to find him on Twitter. He said immigration was ruining the country, and that there are too many Indians / Chinese in the Bay Area. About half of my organization either have an H1B visa or a green card. Am I a McCarthyist for rejecting him outright without hesitation?

Would you have done the same if he said there were too many White people in the Bay Area?

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Post by mancerayder »

bhouston wrote: post #346

Bari Weiss is a problematic character in this area. She has played gatekeeper herself quite stridently and successfully. She is quite fine with her own "involvement in numerous campaigns to vilify and ruin the careers of several Arab and Muslim professors due to their criticisms of Israel" per Glenn Greenwald in the Intercept: https://theintercept.com/2018/03/08/the-nyts-bari-weiss-fals...

When she was a sophomore in college, in the early 2000's, right? It strikes me as certainly somewhat hypocritical, but on another level due to a large time gap and context. Did we have Twitter mobs and nervous HR departments in 2005?
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