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How can a disease with 1% mortality shut down the United States?

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Re: How can a disease with 1% mortality shut down the United States?

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Yes, but the US is somewhat unique in having a widespread "so what if 1% of people die?" attitude.

Sweden didn't shut down much at all either.

Sweden and Japan were the major exceptions of the rule, I'm not sure who else didn't.

Re: How can a disease with 1% mortality shut down the United States?

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I find it useful and illuminating to just come up with some common large spaces and make a few estimates… - remember the last time you were at the movies? Three people dropped dead during your screening of Avengers. - two people dying per subway car on your morning rush hour commute into the city - seven of the kids in your child’s high school graduating class die. he probably knew at least a couple by name. … but th…

Another comparison I like to make - it's in the same ballpark as going on a Space Shuttle mission (2/135 = 1.5% crashed). Would you want to send your loved ones on a Space Shuttle ride (minus the yay, going to space thing)?

And that's not accounting for the massive side effects, or the fact that the fatality risk is much higher for vulnerable populations.

Re: How can a disease with 1% mortality shut down the United States?

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It becomes far worse than that, as our medical system can't handle 62M hospitalizations. (Nor 60-70% of that, which is more realistic, as it's unlikely to hit 100% of the population.) NYC's hospitals came close to the breaking point; Italy's exceeded it in spots.

The author addresses that: > This model assumes that the question’s hypothetical is correct and the fatality rate is 1%. It also assumes for the sake of argument 100% infection. (In reality, of course, neither of these is a perfect match to reality. The infection rate will never hit 100%, but the fatality rate in a widespread infection is likely to be greater than 1%, because health care services will be overwhelmed.…

Yes; I felt it important enough to warrant inclusion in the TL;DR version.

Re: How can a disease with 1% mortality shut down the United States?

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> For every one person who dies: > 19 more require hospitalization. > 18 of those will have permanent heart damage for the rest of their lives. ... > One study published in March found that out of 416 _hospitalized_ Covid-19 patients, 19% showed signs of heart damage. How many other mistakes can you spot?

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Re: How can a disease with 1% mortality shut down the United States?

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What is the mortality rate of one of the more severe stains of the common cold or the flu? I'm sure we've had one of those that got to 0.5% or more in recent history? Does that mean 0.5% is too low to shut everything down?

First, the flu doesn't have the other severe consequences outlined in the article. Second, basically everyone except small children has had the flu, and has some immunity to it, while we're all "immunologically naive" vis-a-vis SARS-CoV-2.

Yes the flu does... You can develop heart failure with the flu for example. People die because of this.

Re: How can a disease with 1% mortality shut down the United States?

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First, the flu doesn't have the other severe consequences outlined in the article. Second, basically everyone except small children has had the flu, and has some immunity to it, while we're all "immunologically naive" vis-a-vis SARS-CoV-2.

Young people are basically at 0% mortality from covid

That has no bearing whatsoever on what I said. For small kids, the flu and COVID-19 are the same - they're encountering it for the first time, and are basically ok with it.

With adults, flu and COVID-19 are different: they have encountered the flu before, so it doesn't rampage through a population. COVID-19 does.

In other words: for flu, we basically have achieved some level of herd immunity already.

Re: How can a disease with 1% mortality shut down the United States?

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> For every one person who dies: > 19 more require hospitalization. > 18 of those will have permanent heart damage for the rest of their lives. ... > One study published in March found that out of 416 _hospitalized_ Covid-19 patients, 19% showed signs of heart damage. How many other mistakes can you spot?

I just spent 5 minutes typing this up only to see your post.. thank you for also noticing. The other point made from this source (about permanent lung damage) is also wrong. I don’t see sources for the other numbers.

I agree never closing the economy would’ve been a total disaster. But the math here is bad.

Re: How can a disease with 1% mortality shut down the United States?

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First, the flu doesn't have the other severe consequences outlined in the article. Second, basically everyone except small children has had the flu, and has some immunity to it, while we're all "immunologically naive" vis-a-vis SARS-CoV-2.

Young people are basically at 0% mortality from covid

Yeah but children are getting that inflammatory syndrome.. Thats pretty devastating. A life ruined but still alive can basically be counted as a death.

Re: How can a disease with 1% mortality shut down the United States?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

First, the flu doesn't have the other severe consequences outlined in the article. Second, basically everyone except small children has had the flu, and has some immunity to it, while we're all "immunologically naive" vis-a-vis SARS-CoV-2.

Young people are basically at 0% mortality from covid

That feels like a lie considering I keep seeing articles about young people dying from covid.
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