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Dropbox: Tech's Hottest Startup (2011)

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Re: Dropbox: Tech's Hottest Startup (2011)

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Somehow I am doubtful that you can trivially build what dropbox does. I am on their pro plan, I have tried running Syncthing on my own servers but the cost is quite prohibitive. I have about 300GB of photos there. Some of the files change, sometimes generating quite a lot of space - e.g. I think calculating the deleted files it is quite possible that I have few terabytes of data at any given moment. I looked into get…

> Can I guarantee the same level of safety as Dropbox does? Isn't Dropbox infamous for deleting your files?

I have not experienced this in the last 8 years, care to elaborate?

Re: Dropbox: Tech's Hottest Startup (2011)

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I'm curious why this matters? Is dropbox's current failings its inability to scale?

I think Zoom has proven that they have exceptionally good product vision. I'm not sure Dropbox has over the past few years.

these are two different topics

Re: Dropbox: Tech's Hottest Startup (2011)

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Dropbox sells one thing: easy to use drive space in the cloud. Dropbox failed to do one thing: give people compelling reasons to put a growing amount of stuff there so they would keep paying for and upgrading their accounts. Imagine these scenarios: - A user dumps their photos into dropbox and automatically is granted a flickr quality site with all of their photos there and organized. They can add metadata in the sit…

Totally agreed. I pay for Dropbox myself, but I don't know that I've shared a file with it in a decade or so. I just use Paper, which they continue to fail to market, despite it being absolutely amazing.

I see your point , I just visited the Paper product subsite and I still don't know what it is despite watching several videos. Some sort of collaborative task / list management?

Re: Dropbox: Tech's Hottest Startup (2011)

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Dropbox feels more bearucratic internally than Google, a company two orders of magnitude its size. I feel like it is a perfect case of all the “VC-style” advice of “CEO job changes every 6 months and you should adapt” going haywire; mistaking the focus to be building an abstract hierarchical HR org, while completely losing the ability, vision, or desire to build a product that people love. Reminds me of Steve Jobs’ q…

I think people just wanted a cloud solution to store and retrive files. Dropbox was one of the products that grew during the PC and digital wave. Then came "Google Drive" and nobody turned back to Dropbox after that.

The UX for google drive is awful, especially on OSX.

Re: Dropbox: Tech's Hottest Startup (2011)

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The problem with all those things are: bandwidth. Storage is cheap, bandwidth is expensive. Dropbox wants you to stick stuff with them and then never touch it. Then they would only need slow disks and slow networks. Once Dropbox tries to become Flickr/Soundcloud/Youtube, they have the same problem those services have: massive money loss. Playing media at scale is hard and expensive. Especially when Dropbox's niche is…

If dropbox can't make money offering their product (easy to use cloud storage), then they should shut down business operations tomorrow, full-stop. While you are correct that there are technical challenges with delivering lots of media to lot of consumers, these challenges have been handily addressed many times by many companies. In addition Dropbox relies on people installing clients on their devices. For people who…

Dropbox makes a profit (just barely). Google is still dodges investor questions on YouTube profitability which suggests it doesn't. Flickr/Soundcloud have been fighting for survival for years now.

The power law distribution is problematic because unless you can predict which content becomes a hit, you either treat all the content like it would (extremely expensive), as if it wouldn't (extremely slow and still expensive), or some smart predictive in-between (which is a very hard problem that you can see Netflix/HBO and even Youtube suffers from). You can see Dropbox is working on smart-sync too, because it's pretty critical for keeping costs down.

Besides, you really don't want things to go viral. Viral is expensive to serve and expensive to engineer for.

I think torrent-style distribution is a brilliant idea. Not sure how people will feel about their phone data or metered connections being used, nevermind the engineering challenges of getting torrenting working on a cellular connection.

You're asking Dropbox to essentially become Google without the profitable part (search ads). Way easier said than done. There's very little profit to be made from being a commodity, it's not clear that becoming an umbrella of multiple commodities is any different.

Dropbox is certainly positioned to make a good product, so is Google/Microsoft/Amazon/Apple. But until people actually start paying for good products so they're profitable products, they won't be built or will keep disappearing to be replaced by subsidized/free mediocre products by Google.

Re: Dropbox: Tech's Hottest Startup (2011)

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> The company that does all three of these things in an integrated fashion is. So Google? Microsoft might count too, but I haven't used their suite in a while. Also, I would think integrated email would be necessary too.

It is 100% going to be Microsoft. Google is laughably bad at enterprise software and Microsoft really has no meaningful competition at this point. Teams is now crushing Slack in market share for the exact reason he mentioned - enterprise IT managers do not like the Unix approach of small targeted tools. They like product suites. Office 365 is as every bit as dominant today as Windows was 20 years ago.

I see that Teams has full Linux support. I am glad.
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