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Re: I Know What You Download on BitTorrent

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I am unsure when you grew up, but for many of us who grew up in the 90s and 00s, this is exactly the mindset we have. I used to be able to take a movie I had and lend it to a friend, the same with music. The movement away from physical copies took this away from many of us, so we tried to take it back in kind -- piracy is what they called that behavior. I understand it might not seem right to you, but in all the soci…

I see nothing wrong with "lending a movie" to someone.. But how often does the "lent" movie ever get "returned" ( read: deleted )? If not your analogy breaks down and it becomes the same as physically copying a VHD/DVD/CD.

I’m not sure why that’s important. I don’t frequently watch movies multiple times so the loaning and watching once is, I think, most common.

Back in the dvd days, I would frequently never get discs back. The few times I’ve loaned a file from a digital file I’ve bought on Amazon, I’ve never watched the movie again. So for all I care, they could keep it forever.

Re: I Know What You Download on BitTorrent

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Interestingly, I used to download a lot of torrents years ago. When Spotify came along, it dropped at least 80%. Add Netflix and Steam and I haven't used torrents in a very long while actually. Simply because everything I need is available at an affordable price. However, seeing how many streaming services are popping up lately, each with their own specialty and each wanting my money, (and seeing how crappy free Yout…

Yeah, i used to be massively into piracy. now i use spotify and netflix.

I still pirate the odd thing because while it's completely worth it to pay $10/mo (or whatever it is now) for netflix, i'm not about to pay the same just to watch a single show on some other streaming service, or go through the hassle of figuring out what new service i have to sign up for or if it's even available in my country or on my roku.

Re: I Know What You Download on BitTorrent

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post #134

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Piracy is copyright infringement. There's no reason to call it theft. They are both bad for society, they are both illegal, but they are distinct.

While literally true; I have always found this argument to be petty and pedantic. I’ve heard every argument in the book; but even the old ads said ‘you wouldn’t steal ____’. The fundamental principle is so similar to the point that discussing it quickly devolves into pedantry. I am one that has had this discussion probably a dozen times; half of those on this forum, and I’ve just decided to stand by my educated opini…

The purpose of those ads was to convince people that copyright infringement was equivalent to theft.

Re: I Know What You Download on BitTorrent

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am unsure when you grew up, but for many of us who grew up in the 90s and 00s, this is exactly the mindset we have. I used to be able to take a movie I had and lend it to a friend, the same with music. The movement away from physical copies took this away from many of us, so we tried to take it back in kind -- piracy is what they called that behavior. I understand it might not seem right to you, but in all the soci…

> The movement away from physical copies I just don't understand this argument, physical copies of virtually any type of media absolutely still exist. If you want to own even Netflix shows on disc, you can do that pretty cheaply. I'd you want to get Blu Ray discs delivered to you by mail for a subscription fee, you can probably do that (although this is slightly more geographically restricted). This argument is simpl…

I don’t buy movies on dvd or Blu-ray any more. But I still lend access.

I don’t think it’s reasonable to say that if I watch a movie that I like, I should purchase it again on physical media just to loan it. And that my friend should buy a DVD player just to watch a borrowed movie.

If I’ve bought it once digitally, I will make copies and lend them to friends. Or more specifically, I’ll give them a login to my private Plex server.

Re: I Know What You Download on BitTorrent

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My oh my... I seem to have downloaded a lot of torrents on my phone. And I have such eclectic tastes. Shared IPs are still very much a thing you know...

Conversely, mine doesn't show anything even though I have a static IP and download frequently...

odd.

Re: I Know What You Download on BitTorrent

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post #162

This part is outright creepy: > We cooperate with Right Holders, Law Offices, Internet Service Providers, Advertising Agencies and National Police. We provide information about sharing/downloading content via Bittorrent Network all over the world. It's one thing to collect this as some sort of research, but another to feed MAFIAA [1] with this data to make their job easier. The fact that they process the data without…

I'm struggling to understand what's creepy about this. If seeing your entire download history on that website was shocking, that's really more a measure of how much you know you've been breaking the law than anything else: there is no PII anywhere in what this service does, it just retains information about which IP (which on its own doesn't identify anyone in the slightest) was seen connected to which torrent payload (which on its own doesn't imply actual data exchange happening).

Re: I Know What You Download on BitTorrent

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post #162

This part is outright creepy: > We cooperate with Right Holders, Law Offices, Internet Service Providers, Advertising Agencies and National Police. We provide information about sharing/downloading content via Bittorrent Network all over the world. It's one thing to collect this as some sort of research, but another to feed MAFIAA [1] with this data to make their job easier. The fact that they process the data without…

Is that acronym deliberate? "Are we the baddies"?

Very deliberate.

The MPAA and RIAA don't actually call themselves the MAFIAA. that's not an official website.

Re: I Know What You Download on BitTorrent

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post #125

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The problem here is not recognizing that the piracy was actually the problem. In what way was it forgivable? Because everybody does it, that makes it okie dokie? Because you don't have a Netflix account? If everyone treated piracy as theft (it is) then no one would have to waste their time investigating it because the collective will would exist to prevent it.

It’s not theft. It’s not legal, but it’s not theft. It’s also not a big deal, maybe you disagree with that assessment but it’s how the majority of people feel.

It’s also frequently legal through fair use.

So I’d say that piracy is potential copyright infringement and leave it at that. It’s curious to see moral judgement on this. I assume that the judgers work in media or something.

But I also come from a generation that thought DLC was unjust.

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