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Re: I Know What You Download on BitTorrent

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Post by AnonC »

carstenhag wrote: post #108
Pxtl wrote: post #55

This kind of thing is already done heavily by content rights-holders. If you torrent movies or games in Canada without a VPN, you will get nastygrams in your email from the rights-holders via your ISP. They're legally required to do so AFAIK, because even consumer-oriented ISPs that are very privacy driven also forward on those letters. Apparently if you don't reply to those emails you're fine, because they can't esc…

What, you only get emails ? In Germany you straight up get snail mails from lawyers demanding you to pay for the damages. But in Germany the only real bad thing is uploading, downloading by itself is more of a grey thing.

A BitTorrent client uploads data to other peers who want the data blocks you have already downloaded (even while you're still in the process of downloading the content, depending on the peers in the swarm around that time). I think it'd be difficult to argue technically that you were just downloading and not uploading when using BitTorrent. If you leave the torrent running after the download completes, you're seeding (uploading) to any other user's client that connects to yours and asks for blocks from your client.

Re: I Know What You Download on BitTorrent

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

Bjartr wrote: post #134
_tbyy wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem here is not recognizing that the piracy was actually the problem. In what way was it forgivable? Because everybody does it, that makes it okie dokie? Because you don't have a Netflix account? If everyone treated piracy as theft (it is) then no one would have to waste their time investigating it because the collective will would exist to prevent it.

Piracy is copyright infringement. There's no reason to call it theft. They are both bad for society, they are both illegal, but they are distinct.

It's not that clear cut.

Some people we're never and are never going to pay for some of the they consume, they'll either pirate it or just not consume it.

I'm presently watching Avatar: The Last Airbender. Which I just pirated earlier today. I'm never going to our-right buy, nor rent, it.

One season is presently on Netflix here in Australia, so I'll watch that there, and the publisher will get their three cents out of me via Netflix, or whatever Netflix pays.

That's three cents they were otherwise never going to get out of me.

If the content was available at a reasonable price, say some portion of what I pay my ISP and the AU$8 I pay the VPN service to hide my traffic from my surveillance-state ISP, I'd pay it.

But it isn't, and I can't afford to pay for all the content I consume on my trifling skilled-tradesperson wage.

You realise when people like me see job ads for doctors getting paid in a day what I earn in a fortnight, and revenue figures like:

The Last Airbender had grossed $131,772,187 in the United States, and $187,941,694 in other countries, making for a total of $319,713,881 worldwide.

... there's no way you're going to convince me this side of the heat death of the universe that copyright infringement in universally bad.

Re: I Know What You Download on BitTorrent

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Post by lostgame »

Bjartr wrote: post #134
_tbyy wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem here is not recognizing that the piracy was actually the problem. In what way was it forgivable? Because everybody does it, that makes it okie dokie? Because you don't have a Netflix account? If everyone treated piracy as theft (it is) then no one would have to waste their time investigating it because the collective will would exist to prevent it.

Piracy is copyright infringement. There's no reason to call it theft. They are both bad for society, they are both illegal, but they are distinct.

While literally true; I have always found this argument to be petty and pedantic.

I’ve heard every argument in the book; but even the old ads said ‘you wouldn’t steal ____’.

The fundamental principle is so similar to the point that discussing it quickly devolves into pedantry.

I am one that has had this discussion probably a dozen times; half of those on this forum, and I’ve just decided to stand by my educated opinion that it’s absolutely a type of theft.

Re: I Know What You Download on BitTorrent

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Post by [deleted] »

Pxtl wrote: post #55

This kind of thing is already done heavily by content rights-holders. If you torrent movies or games in Canada without a VPN, you will get nastygrams in your email from the rights-holders via your ISP. They're legally required to do so AFAIK, because even consumer-oriented ISPs that are very privacy driven also forward on those letters. Apparently if you don't reply to those emails you're fine, because they can't esc…

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Re: I Know What You Download on BitTorrent

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Post by DuskStar »

londons_explore wrote: post #155
larntz wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the long long ago I worked at a small regional ISP. We offered dial-up and dsl. Users were assigned whatever IP was available when they connected, and this was logged (including disconnect time). So, it was very easy to search the logs and see who was using an IP at a given time in the past (assuming we still had the logs).

I would pay extra for an ISP who only kept those logs say 1 hour. 1 hour should be plenty to identify who is currently running some network attack, and arguably an ISP doesn't have a legit reason for keeping private data longer than necessary to be an ISP under the GDPR .

That would require you to have a choice of ISPs...

Re: I Know What You Download on BitTorrent

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Post by unethical_ban »

willcipriano wrote: post #126
timdorr wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of my neighboring IPs distributes child pornography according to this site, which is just fan-fucking-tastic. Anyone know how far Comcast distributes IPs on the same subnet geographically?

Drop a dime: https://www.fbi.gov/tips

Not to discourage reporting (seriously).

Simply as an observation, I would be legitimately shocked if the FBI didn't use these same techniques with automation to find suspicious torrents and get data from ISPs.

Re: I Know What You Download on BitTorrent

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Post by pathseeker »

londons_explore wrote: post #155
larntz wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the long long ago I worked at a small regional ISP. We offered dial-up and dsl. Users were assigned whatever IP was available when they connected, and this was logged (including disconnect time). So, it was very easy to search the logs and see who was using an IP at a given time in the past (assuming we still had the logs).

I would pay extra for an ISP who only kept those logs say 1 hour. 1 hour should be plenty to identify who is currently running some network attack, and arguably an ISP doesn't have a legit reason for keeping private data longer than necessary to be an ISP under the GDPR .

I wonder if there are any government requirements here for people operating ISPs. Does anyone have any insight into the time range that is required to keep these logs (if there is one)?

Re: I Know What You Download on BitTorrent

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Post by TheRealPomax »

tstrimple wrote: post #22

Laughs in Usenet. The proliferation of streaming services and restricted content has me investing in alternative options more these days. It's not about paying for content, it's about content becoming less accessible again.

How can you tell if someone uses on usenet? Ask them what a par files are.

Re: I Know What You Download on BitTorrent

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Post by MattGaiser »

timdorr wrote: post #95
grawprog wrote: post #7

Apparently Blindspot, Warrior, Hanna and the Twilight zone is pretty popular for my ip address. I've never downloaded any of these and Twilight zone is the only one i've even heard of. I also can't torrent things through my service provider, they throttle them, so i've never actually used a torrent program at all from this IP. So, that I guess...

One of my neighboring IPs distributes child pornography according to this site, which is just fan-fucking-tastic. Anyone know how far Comcast distributes IPs on the same subnet geographically?

Child porn on my VPN connection too.

Re: I Know What You Download on BitTorrent

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Post by dlhavema »

alextheparrot wrote: post #141
_tbyy wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem here is not recognizing that the piracy was actually the problem. In what way was it forgivable? Because everybody does it, that makes it okie dokie? Because you don't have a Netflix account? If everyone treated piracy as theft (it is) then no one would have to waste their time investigating it because the collective will would exist to prevent it.

I am unsure when you grew up, but for many of us who grew up in the 90s and 00s, this is exactly the mindset we have. I used to be able to take a movie I had and lend it to a friend, the same with music. The movement away from physical copies took this away from many of us, so we tried to take it back in kind -- piracy is what they called that behavior. I understand it might not seem right to you, but in all the soci…

I see nothing wrong with "lending a movie" to someone.. But how often does the "lent" movie ever get "returned" ( read: deleted )? If not your analogy breaks down and it becomes the same as physically copying a VHD/DVD/CD.
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