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Re: Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship

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> Invades, then turns Philippines into a sovereign nation. Yes, tell me more about what the US did in the Philippines.

Is the Philippines not a sovereign country? That’s my point. Don’t try and deflect.

Tell us more about what USA did in Japan

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There are many around the world and in USA who would say the exact same about the USA and I'm sure China says the exact same about USA. I personally see no difference between the two except they're both fighting to be the world superpower and China is really stepping in to take that role from a USA in distress.

Hmmm... US invades Japan, turns it from a militant authoritarian system into a democracy, then gives it independence. Invades, then turns Philippines into a sovereign nation. Same with South Korea. Same with Western Europe post-WW2. Has China done that?

Frankly it's not the business of the USA to "turn a system into a democracy". Every government has and can fall at the hands of its own people if needed. You cited two viciously deadly and brutal examples of imperialism and I don't think you're making a great point.

Re: Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship

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The U.S. has explicitly suppressed plenty of other governments before, both for ideological and economic reasons. Read about Salvatore Allende, who was elected via a democratic process in 1970s Chile on a socialist reform platform and then was subsequently overthrown and killed, via suicide after being surrounded, with heavy involvement via the U.S. CIA. China has not typically gone beyond their own historical border…

China supported the Khmer Rouge which killed 1 out of 4 Cambodians. Want more examples?

"Supporting" is a lot different than "directly killing people" like US does worldwide in regime change conflicts and wars.

Re: Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship

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> Jolly good show by the Brits to standby the people of Hong Kong Having a new source of immigration when you have just screwed yourself over in attracting European immigrantes due to Brexit is common sense rather than altruism.

> Having a new source of immigration when you have just screwed yourself over in attracting European immigrantes due to Brexit is common sense rather than altruism. Immigration is not actually something you need to have.

Yes you do. The paradigm has changed and now you must. In fact it’s abhorrent to have a homogenous population.

Re: Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship

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> Having a new source of immigration when you have just screwed yourself over in attracting European immigrantes due to Brexit is common sense rather than altruism. Immigration is not actually something you need to have.

This is a fact that is hated by many people for some reason. There birthrate of Japan is considered low, but they are growing still and the homogeneous society has social harmony, with none of the ills of multiculturalism. It's a trade-off for immigration boosting economies in the short term they don't think is worth it.

None of the benefits of multiculturalism either.

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> Jolly good show by the Brits to standby the people of Hong Kong Having a new source of immigration when you have just screwed yourself over in attracting European immigrantes due to Brexit is common sense rather than altruism.

> Having a new source of immigration when you have just screwed yourself over in attracting European immigrantes due to Brexit is common sense rather than altruism. Immigration is not actually something you need to have.

> Immigration is not actually something you need to have.

It's something the UK needs to have. We don't have enough qualified doctors, nurses, AHPs, civil engineers, mechanical engineers, electrical engineers, electronic engineers, (any engineers), architects, etc etc etc.

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> Having a new source of immigration when you have just screwed yourself over in attracting European immigrantes due to Brexit is common sense rather than altruism. Immigration is not actually something you need to have.

> Immigration is not actually something you need to have. It's something the UK needs to have. We don't have enough qualified doctors, nurses, AHPs, civil engineers, mechanical engineers, electrical engineers, electronic engineers, (any engineers), architects, etc etc etc.

The steady state for this kind of thing is a very long credentialing process that mostly serves to constrict [word choice is deliberate] entry into the field(s).

In the absence of immigration, assuming the void you describe were perceived, I would expect the UK to accelerate the qualification process for doctors, engineers, nurses, AHPs, engineers, architects, etc., without much affecting the quality of the doctoring / nursing / engineering that got done.

This is, for example, how people were trained to understand spoken Japanese when that became important in World War II. The first attempt involved approaching universities with Japanese programs, who all solemnly declared that learning to understand Japanese was a deliberate process involving multiple years of study. The second attempt involved a course developed for the purpose, not by the universities, that turned out functioning translators in six months.

Re: Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship

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> Immigration is not actually something you need to have. It's something the UK needs to have. We don't have enough qualified doctors, nurses, AHPs, civil engineers, mechanical engineers, electrical engineers, electronic engineers, (any engineers), architects, etc etc etc.

The steady state for this kind of thing is a very long credentialing process that mostly serves to constrict [word choice is deliberate] entry into the field(s). In the absence of immigration, assuming the void you describe were perceived, I would expect the UK to accelerate the qualification process for doctors, engineers, nurses, AHPs, engineers, architects, etc., without much affecting the quality of the doctoring…

> without much affecting the quality of the doctoring / nursing

In England "registered nurse" is a protected title. The requirements for being a registered nurse have changed over time. You used to be able to qualify then register, or work then register without getting the qualification. So we have a natural experiment with older nurses in England. Some are qualified and registered, some are unqualified and registered. We see from research that the qualification helps with patient safety.

I hope you can see that there are significant differences between learning a language and treating patients.

Re: Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship

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> Having a new source of immigration when you have just screwed yourself over in attracting European immigrantes due to Brexit is common sense rather than altruism. Immigration is not actually something you need to have.

Yes you do. The paradigm has changed and now you must. In fact it’s abhorrent to have a homogenous population.

That's not fact, but opinion.

Re: Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship

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The steady state for this kind of thing is a very long credentialing process that mostly serves to constrict [word choice is deliberate] entry into the field(s). In the absence of immigration, assuming the void you describe were perceived, I would expect the UK to accelerate the qualification process for doctors, engineers, nurses, AHPs, engineers, architects, etc., without much affecting the quality of the doctoring…

> without much affecting the quality of the doctoring / nursing In England "registered nurse" is a protected title. The requirements for being a registered nurse have changed over time. You used to be able to qualify then register, or work then register without getting the qualification. So we have a natural experiment with older nurses in England. Some are qualified and registered, some are unqualified and registere…

> So we have a natural experiment with older nurses in England. Some are qualified and registered, some are unqualified and registered. We see from research that the qualification helps with patient safety.

As described, you see from research that nurses with the qualification are better than nurses in the same cohort without. This is confounded all kinds of different ways; it doesn't come close to establishing that the qualification helped.

(The most obvious confound, though -- say, do nurses with a bachelor's degree outperform nurses with "some college"? -- does tend to suggest that, in the absence of immigration, overall quality levels will go down if the average quality of immigrants is higher than the average quality of natives.)

> I hope you can see that there are significant differences between learning a language and treating patients.

Of course, but I don't see that those differences are relevant here.

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