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Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Post by mike00632 »

manquer wrote: post #39
markovbot wrote: post #3

I assume they won't be doing that to the main-stream spyware pushed by US companies.

The threat model for AMZ is state sponsored corporate espionage, not government intruding on your and my privacy. The former cost them a ton of money unlike the later. Given their inability to enforce IP or many other laws in china even if there was similar espionage happening in the U.S. the legal system is strong enough for Amazon not to worry of losing money.

But if Amazon found evidence of code that allows for TikTok to engage in corporate espionage, why would they keep it a secret and just send out an email (and later retract) that forbids employees from using the app?

It seems way more likely that a non-tech manager at Amazon read the news and wrote the email.

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Post by jessaustin »

yyyk wrote: post #447
stanfordkid wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All whilst being propped up for decades by the USA for geopolitical objectives??! It's not an accident that one of the stupidest, most theocratic countries in the middle east receives the most weapons and support from the USA. We don't want a strong middle east. This is why countries like Iran, Lebanon, Syria are labelled as "terrorist".

That's exactly the same hypocrisy the OP is complaining about, just from the other direction. One faction of the West ignores Saudi's role in killing Yemenis; The other faction ignores Iran's role in killing Syrians. One faction ignores domestic repression in Saudi Arabia; the other ignores domestic repression in Iran. One ignores theocracy in Saudi, the other ignores theocracy in Iran. Both countries and both rulers…

Assuming I'm "OP" to whom you refer... I reject this false equivalence. That isn't to say that the government of Iran is perfect; no government is. However, it is entirely the fault of USA that Iran's government takes the form that it does currently. We should have left Mosaddegh alone. We shouldn't have helped the Shah kill religious and democracy protesters. We should not have sold Saddam weapons of mass destruction (and lots of other weapons too) with which to war with Iran. We should not shoot down their civilian airliners. We should abide by our treaties with Iran. We should not assassinate their diplomats while those diplomats are on diplomatic missions to nations we claim as allies. We especially shouldn't do that when the diplomat in question was the single human being most responsible for defeating ISIS, which was the actual threat to Syrian people.

Iranian women have never lost their rights to drive, to appear in public, to have lives of their own. Iranian women and men both vote in elections to select their leaders. Iran has only fought defensive wars with its neighbors. Kingdom of Saudi compares very poorly in all these categories.

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Post by yyyk »

jessaustin wrote: post #472
yyyk wrote: post #447

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's exactly the same hypocrisy the OP is complaining about, just from the other direction. One faction of the West ignores Saudi's role in killing Yemenis; The other faction ignores Iran's role in killing Syrians. One faction ignores domestic repression in Saudi Arabia; the other ignores domestic repression in Iran. One ignores theocracy in Saudi, the other ignores theocracy in Iran. Both countries and both rulers…

Assuming I'm "OP" to whom you refer... I reject this false equivalence. That isn't to say that the government of Iran is perfect; no government is. However, it is entirely the fault of USA that Iran's government takes the form that it does currently. We should have left Mosaddegh alone. We shouldn't have helped the Shah kill religious and democracy protesters. We should not have sold Saddam weapons of mass destructio…

Iranian women can't go out without mandatory hijab, and those that do often get arrested or acid in their face. There are 'elections', but only approved (i.e. regime-supporting) candidates are allowed to run and no position with actual authority is elected - all actual authority is with the Supreme Leader and the IRGC - and people who protest are killed ('only a couple hundred' claimed FM Zarif recently).

Iran is running a massive offensive ethnic cleansing in Syria and has been declaring its intent to do the same in Israel for years. This was headed by a general (not 'diplomat') who was on both the EU and US terrorist lists. Its foreign policy is support of nearly every tyrant and terrorist organization out there.

Of course, there's some flimsy excuses (the US once upon a time supported overthrowing someone the Islamists also helped overthrow, and there was a brutal 'security service' which the Islamists retained in full, adding a single letter to the name), but they're not very interesting. I could have run the same list of excuses for Saudi with different names and places, and it'd be the same apologia for a dictatorial theocracy which spreads fanaticism for ideological and domestic reasons.

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Post by TheKarateKid »

JeremyNT wrote: post #295
what_ever wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vine was different. I just posted this on another thread couple of days ago. > Vine was 6 second long video clips. Comparing Vine to TikTok is somewhat like comparing TikTok to YouTube videos. They are different. Lot of TikTok popularity has come from offering songs/lip syncing functionality (done better by their acquisition of musica.ly). That wouldn't have worked on 6 second Vines.

> Vine was 6 second long video clips. Comparing Vine to TikTok is somewhat like comparing TikTok to YouTube videos. They are different. As an aside, it's insane to me that the differentiating feature of an entirely new video hosting platform can simply be the length of the content it supports. The world of tech companies is truly bizarre. Why doesn't Google launch dozens of Youtube variants under their own branding w…

It's more than just the length. TikTok has some pretty good and simple video editing features that make it very easy to quickly produce decent quality content on your phone.

The music integration was the biggest example of this, and probably why the lip-syncing/dancing videos became so popular on the platform.

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Post by RobRivera »

ghaff wrote: post #343
RobRivera wrote: post #320

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wasnt there a recent supreme court ruling regarding the Native Americans of Oklahoma that said something to the effect of 'just because you keep doing an evil, doesnt make it right, and letting it be right is an injustice to those in the right'?

You have to dress into the office—albeit many don’t wear suits any longer. Many have to drive. Those who travel a lot need many accessories for the purpose. The ideas that well-paid professionals should have all these things covered by a company seems... unreasonable. And, seriously, complaining about having to spend a few bucks for something you need at work is equivalent to circumstances around Indian treaties in t…

It's rude to ridicule another's opinion online when they are discussing in good faith. Present data, differ in opinion, but don't ridicule. It's below you.

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Post by jessaustin »

yyyk wrote: post #473
jessaustin wrote: post #472

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming I'm "OP" to whom you refer... I reject this false equivalence. That isn't to say that the government of Iran is perfect; no government is. However, it is entirely the fault of USA that Iran's government takes the form that it does currently. We should have left Mosaddegh alone. We shouldn't have helped the Shah kill religious and democracy protesters. We should not have sold Saddam weapons of mass destructio…

Iranian women can't go out without mandatory hijab, and those that do often get arrested or acid in their face. There are 'elections', but only approved (i.e. regime-supporting) candidates are allowed to run and no position with actual authority is elected - all actual authority is with the Supreme Leader and the IRGC - and people who protest are killed ('only a couple hundred' claimed FM Zarif recently). Iran is run…

Iran is running a massive offensive ethnic cleansing in Syria and has been declaring its intent to do the same in Israel for years.

Iran has helped the internationally-recognized government of Syria battle the internationally-recognized terrorist group ISIS, whom USA created and supported throughout its existence. This happened very recently: how is it that you've forgotten? Perhaps you were distracted by the by-now-obviously-false-flag "gas attacks"? The timing was just so convenient! [0] Tell that "ethnic cleansing" bullshit to the Yazidis and Kurds. Those few who weren't butchered by ISIS are glad to see the internationally-recognized government of Syria in control again.

This was headed by a general (not 'diplomat') who was on both the EU and US terrorist lists. Its foreign policy is support of nearly every tyrant and terrorist organization out there.

Potayto, potahto. What did we call Colin Powell back when he was circling the globe lying about WMDs? (He was good at it, because he had practice from lying about My Lai.) What do we call Pompeo now that he's circling the globe lying with his every breath? Pompeo was so sad his pet project ISIS went belly up, he forgot what business he's in. I wonder how many meetings he has on tarmacs in the Middle East?

...not very interesting...

This is projection. Regurgitating 4yo propaganda that even USA war media has by now retracted convinces no one. By any measure, the Sauds are worse than the elected Iranian government. The reason we still menace the Middle East is not because some person did so and so to some other person in some place no one can find on a map. The reason is, we don't have democracy in USA, so we citizens can't force our government to bring the troops home.

[0] https://scheerpost.com/2020/07/02/the-threat-of-peace-and-me...

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Post by yyyk »

jessaustin wrote: post #476
yyyk wrote: post #473

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iranian women can't go out without mandatory hijab, and those that do often get arrested or acid in their face. There are 'elections', but only approved (i.e. regime-supporting) candidates are allowed to run and no position with actual authority is elected - all actual authority is with the Supreme Leader and the IRGC - and people who protest are killed ('only a couple hundred' claimed FM Zarif recently). Iran is run…

Iran is running a massive offensive ethnic cleansing in Syria and has been declaring its intent to do the same in Israel for years. Iran has helped the internationally-recognized government of Syria battle the internationally-recognized terrorist group ISIS, whom USA created and supported throughout its existence. This happened very recently: how is it that you've forgotten? Perhaps you were distracted by the by-now-…

The 'internationally-recognized government of Syria' has run an internationally recognized ethnic cleansing campaign against the country's Sunni population, the vast majority of it hasn't been a part of ISIS (Maybe you have a problem with the map, but the Yazidi genocide happened in Iraq). Speaking of ISIS, maybe if Assad didn't intentionally release jihadis from Sednaya, or didn't support their previous incarnation in Iraq, we wouldn't have these problems. That's why there are complete sanctions on Assad, which will not be removed until he falls.

As for the gas massacres, the conspiracy theories just get madder and madder. Obviously, the rebels are supposed to have attacked themselves for the XX time after seeing all the previous gas attacks led to no reaction? While never ever using them against Assad troops? The Assad regime being the only one in theater with the equipment and capability of staging a gas attack? Some people are just shilling for mass-murder.

The Iranian government isn't elected. Everything is controlled by the Supreme Leader and IRGC, and the 'elected' offices have no power. The 'elected' offices where the only people who are allowed to be elected are those that support the regime[0], and protesters are killed[1].

You're right about one thing - the Saudis are not much better. Then again, they didn't support a WMD attack and deny it later, like Iran apologists do. Nor do they officially have genocide aims against other countries. Maybe the apologists secret admire the Mullah's aims, and that's why they defend the regime.

[0] https://apnews.com/44ad5910fa3e1a297d6c0b5ad6c3c59f

[1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-protests-specialrepo...

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Post by gandutraveler »

closetnerd wrote: post #89
schnable wrote: post #70

What's the security/privacy vulnerability that would allow TikTok access to sensitive info from email?

Likely that they have the potential to have as much information about us as Facebook does - but China? If there was a real security/privacy issue - I'd be more upset with Apple than China (as an iPhone user). Apple needs to watch my back.

On top of background device data and analytics there is lot of sensetive user data shared on the app for which can be used to target certain audience. Social engineering this data and joining it with other apps(which can have security holes) is enough to hack the device and steal additional info. All this also applies to American companies like FB, Google etc however american companies don't have a parent like CCP who has access to all the data.

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Post by jessaustin »

yyyk wrote: post #477
jessaustin wrote: post #476

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iran is running a massive offensive ethnic cleansing in Syria and has been declaring its intent to do the same in Israel for years. Iran has helped the internationally-recognized government of Syria battle the internationally-recognized terrorist group ISIS, whom USA created and supported throughout its existence. This happened very recently: how is it that you've forgotten? Perhaps you were distracted by the by-now-…

The 'internationally-recognized government of Syria' has run an internationally recognized ethnic cleansing campaign against the country's Sunni population, the vast majority of it hasn't been a part of ISIS (Maybe you have a problem with the map, but the Yazidi genocide happened in Iraq). Speaking of ISIS, maybe if Assad didn't intentionally release jihadis from Sednaya, or didn't support their previous incarnation…

Haha we have sanctions on Cuba for Pete's sake. Sanctions don't imply anything. They do kill thousands of people a month in Venezuela alone [0], with corresponding numbers in a dozen other nations so good job I guess.

There was no "gas attack". Some murderous slaving ISIS criminals took a sledgehammer up on the roof, knocked out some holes, and shoved some empty canisters into them. Then they mixed some bleach with some muriatic acid and left the scene. Later, there was of course some chlorine residue. But simple physics proved that full canisters of poison gas hadn't been "dropped out of helicopters": the roof wouldn't have stopped so many of them. [1] Actual gas bombs of the sort that USA sold to Saddam for use against Iran are carefully constructed devices that can actually be dropped from aircraft and expected to distribute poison gas. Dropping bare storage cylinders only works in the movies. The real conspiracy theory is that the internationally-recognized government of Syria had anything to do with those attacks. They had neither means nor motive. The "moderate rebels" (really ISIS) that USA had been supporting had both.

Of course you don't care about details. Even your pose of criticism of Saudi is cynical. You want to sell the Saudis bombs to kill Yemeni children right up until they don't want to buy them anymore, at which time you'll want to start bombing KSA. Mostly you just support status quo USA policy for the last 70 years. That is, we kill lots of brown and black people so that the public can be buffaloed into giving armaments manufacturers obscene amounts of money. The public would prefer to spend that money on literally anything else; you disagree. You'll probably make a show of declaring that you're actually more against war than I am, but your religious devotion to every lie that the war media has ever tossed off shows where your heart is. Pacifists oppose killing innocents, both through sanctions and through the wars for which sanctions are pretexts. The Middle East is broken for the same reason that Latin America is broken and Southeast Asia was broken for a long time: USA broke it. The best thing we can do for them is the best thing we could have done for them in the 1950s: stop interfering with their governments, stop providing armaments to various parties, and stop killing them.

[0] https://cepr.net/images/stories/reports/venezuela-sanctions-...

[1] https://thegrayzone.com/2019/05/25/opcw-syria-gas-attack-sta...

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Post by yyyk »

jessaustin wrote: post #479
yyyk wrote: post #477

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The 'internationally-recognized government of Syria' has run an internationally recognized ethnic cleansing campaign against the country's Sunni population, the vast majority of it hasn't been a part of ISIS (Maybe you have a problem with the map, but the Yazidi genocide happened in Iraq). Speaking of ISIS, maybe if Assad didn't intentionally release jihadis from Sednaya, or didn't support their previous incarnation…

Haha we have sanctions on Cuba for Pete's sake. Sanctions don't imply anything. They do kill thousands of people a month in Venezuela alone [0], with corresponding numbers in a dozen other nations so good job I guess. There was no "gas attack". Some murderous slaving ISIS criminals took a sledgehammer up on the roof, knocked out some holes, and shoved some empty canisters into them. Then they mixed some bleach with s…

The US alone has sanctions on Cuba, nearly the entire world (except Putin and Iran and China) has sanctions on Assad. It's a bit different, you see?

Nobody believes the lies regarding the WMD massacres, we know Assad did these (and so much more). It required rebels with no advanced weapons, much less chemical weapons, to attack themselves over and over, while never ever attacking Assad. The Douma massacre in particular wasn't bleach, it was a different chemical agent[0]. The nature of Assad's attacks is well documented[1].

There's nothing 'pacifist' about shilling for mass murder. It's like those 'pacifists' Orwell attacked during WW2 because they were equating the Allies with the Nazis, that is, being 'objectively pro-fascist'.

That's a very cynical position, despite your alleged criticism of Saudi. I bet that as soon as Saudi ignores US and buys weapons from Russia we'll hear a different tune from your likes.

[0] https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2020/01/15/the-opcw-dou...

[1] https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2020/04/21/the-open-source-h...

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