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Re: Investors say agroforestry is climate friendly and also profitable

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Gabe Brown has been doing regenerative agriculture for over two decades on Brown's Ranch, over 2000 acres, in Bismarck, North Dakota successfully. Food crops plus cover crops plus livestock, all integrated. Lot of good results compared to neighboring farmers doing the traditional synthetic fertilizer / pesticide / tilling / monoculture approach.

There are others like him too.

And he's been invited to and giving a lot of talks about it at many confs for years:

Watch "Treating the Farm as an Ecosystem with Gabe Brown Part 1, The 5 Tenets of Soil Health"

https://youtu.be/uUmIdq0D6-A

Re: Investors say agroforestry is climate friendly and also profitable

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Or, I can plant things that repel specific pests, plant things that attract the natural predators of that pest, or plant sunflowers and tobacco as sacrificial plants. I can let the chickens go after the pests. I can recognize that sometimes, the pests are a solution to a different problem, and adjust things accordingly. All of those solutions are more resilient than microdrones, computer vision, and laser. These high…

If that were true farmers would already be doing it.

There are some farmers who are already doing it. Like this guy: https://youtu.be/J_htLIUKX1Y

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We don't necessarily have to scale this. I think a better approach is to build decentralized food systems using these practices. At the neighborhood or household level, these practices are very practical. It does not require rebooting the whole system. It does not require venture capital, because you're not trying to make a big return. It does not require waiting for conventional farmers to change their practice.

That process is under way, somewhat— I have several CSAs serving my city, and two major farmers markets. But relevant to note: all of those outfits are focused on fruits and vegetables, where the impact of "fresh" is the greatest. All of the corn being grown around me is sweet corn for immediate consumption, or for animal feed. No one is growing wheat on a small scale, much less in the kind of quantities that would a…

Legumes are interesting in that there are many crops that can be companion planted. Can they get to quantities that can sustain a family? I don’t know. But pole beans are known to grow better as a companion plant to corn than by themselves. There are many other types of legumes — the Mesquite tree here in my neck of the woods (lower Sonoran) is a nitrogen fixer, with some varieties producing bean like pods that can be harvested. (They require a mill to get the full use pf them).

My point is that there is a lot more options out there, and what is possible is a lot greater than people think.

As far as wheat goes, I have not heard much from permaculturists doing that. I hear more about cultivating amaranth and quinoa as nutritionally dense pseudo grains.

Generally, I also hear a lot more about winter squashes. That follows the design principle of “Catch and Store Energy”, with squashes being a very durable store of sunlight and nutrients. Speghetti squashes can be made into pasta-like noodles. Not so much with bread.

Cauliflower can be processed to make a kind of flour that can be used in a lot of baking. Again, I don’t know the yields that can sustain a family. Depending on where you are, they are a fall crop. (They are a winter crop for the lower Sonoran, zone 9b/10). Probably grown in succession so that they can be had for a while. Maybe the flour can be stored over winter.

There are also sunchokes. These are in the sunflower family, and are considered invasive. They are very hardy, and their tubers can be harvested during a time when few other plants can be harvested. Their flowers open late season, and also nourish pollinators at a time when they don’t have a whole lot of options. They will grow in poor, depleted soil, and will probably edge out other pioneer plants. So not bread for the winter, but a good source of calories nonetheless.

Maybe that will the challenge my wife presents to me: finding the a good set of crops that would allow her to bake.

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I know what you mean by "Luddite", but historically, they were not anti-tech either. They broke machines to gain leverage and put pressure over employers to give better working conditions, and not because they hated machines. There are many design patterns in regenerative agriculture that works , but are low-tech or no-tech. It isn't that you need to be anti-tech; it is that we don't need high tech to solve these pro…

"Appropriate technology" https://www.appropedia.org I believe we are of similar understanding here. Great to read your responses here. Here's to the wish that we could share a conversation at some point. Trade notes.

Send me an email sometime (talktohosh at gmail). This stuff I am deep diving —- permaculture design —- is still fairly new to me. But I had started to reevaluate the existing tech in my life in the context of the main ethical principles of permaculture (care of earth, care of people, fair share).

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I think that "mixed" farming like this article describes has a huge potential for automation by the software field. Monocrops[0] (homogeneous fields of crops like corn or soybeans) are easy to build automated robots for. We've been doing that for generations now, starting with combine harvesters[1]. But there are many problems with growing monocrops[2]. Pests are a problem -- they breed and spread disease. And on the…

Wouldn’t it be easier to just plant something else every other year? I thought this was solved literally 1000 years ago: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-field_system

It’s much better to have a natural environment from a biodiversity perspective

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Anyone here have some woodland and use it for growing food crops (mix of fruit trees, nut trees, root vegetables, berries and mushrooms?) This is something I've been thinking about trying for a while. Or maybe converting pasture land to more mixed purpose? I realise it's not something you can scale or automate easily, but I'm not really looking for that. Just a few hectares for personal use. I understand it will take…

Check out permaculture, food forests and Geoff Lawton videos (he covers both, and food forests are a subset of permaculture). He is a permaculture boss who learned from Bill Mollison, father of permaculture. Check (his) Zaytuna Farm video tour parts 1 and 2. Australia is big on permaculture but many other countries' people are doing it too. Huw Richards (Wales, UK), Maddy and Tim Harland (UK), Krishna McKenzie (Auroville, Tamil Nadu, India), Pete Kanaris (Florida, USA), Richard Perkins (Sweden) are just a few. All those named have YouTube videos.

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Much of big Ag is an effort to shortcut all this. Use a chisel plow to break up compacted soil. Add ammonia. Use earth movers to create more flat land with useful soils. Etc. The advantages are clear: you can decide when to do these things, and do them on a short schedule. Its hard to argue waiting 5 years for some remediation project to maybe work, when I have a chisel plow right over there in the shed.

Yeah. Big Ag is not incentivized to be sustainable, let alone be regenerative. Big Ag is certainly not resilient. Its very reward system (like modern commerce in general) is based on the extraction of resources (whether that be in the earth, or people resources), and then controlling access to them. Overharvesting always happen, because we're culturally conditioned to define wealth and status in terms of how much one…

>Yeah. Big Ag is not incentivized to be sustainable, let alone be regenerative.

Can you expand on this point some? I'm trying to understand but I don't really see the problem. Whether the nutrition comes from the soil or the fertilizer doesn't really seem that important. I get what other posters have said about vegetables in the past being more nutritious but it's not clear to me that this matters terribly much compared to the accessibility gains from produce being cheaper and still nutritious (ableit less so).

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The feds would have to stop distorting the markets in the West before any of this could happen economically, right? People didn't just forget how to grow orchards and pastures. They got run out of business by the California water projects and the BLM. As long as the BLM keeps leasing out grazing land for $1/acre and as long as Reclamation allows Stewart Resnick to grow 100k acres of nuts on otherwise worthless land,…

The nut industry around Sacramento is a true tragedy of the commons. Billions of wallstreet speculative dollars to pump water out of the ground as fast as possible. No one wins, but a percentage gain on a balance sheet.

Can't taxes from those gains just be used to buy water from elsewhere though? If water from elsewhere is cheap why not use local water to make money instead?

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Yeah. Big Ag is not incentivized to be sustainable, let alone be regenerative. Big Ag is certainly not resilient. Its very reward system (like modern commerce in general) is based on the extraction of resources (whether that be in the earth, or people resources), and then controlling access to them. Overharvesting always happen, because we're culturally conditioned to define wealth and status in terms of how much one…

>Yeah. Big Ag is not incentivized to be sustainable, let alone be regenerative. Can you expand on this point some? I'm trying to understand but I don't really see the problem. Whether the nutrition comes from the soil or the fertilizer doesn't really seem that important. I get what other posters have said about vegetables in the past being more nutritious but it's not clear to me that this matters terribly much compa…

...where does the fertiliser come from?

Currently, there's a lot of fossil fuels involved.

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