Apple Support: Wait until the light turn green, and then put a tape cover on your camera. ️
Or you know, if you never see a green light, you never had any problem.
How about that? Tin foil much?
Don't close your MacBook with a cover over the camera
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#492Earlier quoted context omitted.
>2013: iSeeYou: Disabling the MacBook Webcam Indicator LED https://jscholarship.library.jhu.edu/handle/1774.2/36569 ... applies only to older Mac notebooks from like 2008 period which are long since obsolete according to Apple's announced support policy. >2016: Your Mac’s Camera Can Be Hacked https://www.intego.com/mac-security-blog/your-macs-camera-ca... . ... refers specifically the exploit above. >2016: Former NSA…
There's a reason Zukerberg's laptop has its mic and camera tapped up. It doesn't matter what device you use unless there's a physical switch to disconnect it'll never be safe. Software can ALWAYS have zero days, just because it hasn't been exploited yet doesn't mean it can't be.
>There's a reason Zukerberg's laptop has its mic and camera tapped up.
Given the business he is in, the reason is blatant hypocrisy?
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#493Earlier quoted context omitted.
>2013: iSeeYou: Disabling the MacBook Webcam Indicator LED https://jscholarship.library.jhu.edu/handle/1774.2/36569 ... applies only to older Mac notebooks from like 2008 period which are long since obsolete according to Apple's announced support policy. >2016: Your Mac’s Camera Can Be Hacked https://www.intego.com/mac-security-blog/your-macs-camera-ca... . ... refers specifically the exploit above. >2016: Former NSA…
I expect you are probably correct, but it doesn't really matter. If you don't want to be filmed, the correct engineering approach is not to have a camera pointed at you 24/7. It is a bit like the gun rule of not pointing a gun at things you don't want to shoot - sure, the trigger should be enough of a control, but accidents happen. If you spend your entire life with a camera pointed at your face, your face (and activ…
The camera can't turn on without power going to the light.
The user controls which apps get to turn on the camera...no one else.
Re: Don't close your MacBook with a cover over the camera
#494Apple Support: Wait until the light turn green, and then put a tape cover on your camera. ️
Or you know, if you never see a green light, you never had any problem. How about that? Tin foil much?
Unless the LED somehow gets disabled, stops working, or something like it.
It's not like the tape is ineffective, so why does Apple care if people use it?
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#495> "Designed to protect your privacy, Mac notebooks have a camera indicator light to let you know when the camera is on. ... Published Date: July 02, 2020" Perhaps Apple missed these? 2013: iSeeYou: Disabling the MacBook Webcam Indicator LED https://jscholarship.library.jhu.edu/handle/1774.2/36569 2016: Your Mac’s Camera Can Be Hacked https://www.intego.com/mac-security-blog/your-macs-camera-ca... 2016: Former NSA emp…
And The Hindenberg was "designed" to ferry passengers across the sky in luxury. They've chosen their words very carefully.
The ferrying part was arguably fine. It’s the landing part that they have to work on.
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#496Funny how people are so worried about the webcam...and yet they don't realize that there is a microphone easily available.
Apple restricts access to the mic via the T2 chip
https://www.apple.com/euro/macbook-pro-13/docs/a/Apple_T2_Se...
Re: Don't close your MacBook with a cover over the camera
#497Earlier quoted context omitted.
Exactly this. I use one for these reasons, in descending order of practical concern: 1. I don't want to broadcast myself during a meeting when I'm not prepared, or perhaps leave a meeting open by accident. 2. If a bad actor does access my camera, I won't necessarily notice the indicator light, especially if I'm not actively using the computer at that moment. 3. I don't trust the indicator light to be permanently unha…
Right. And some apps like WebEx turn on the camera by default, which is insane but happens and until you click to turn it off, you're live. Also, if you're using an external display, then how are you supposed to notice the green light on the MacBook sitting next to the display? That Apple article is nonsense. I put a black tape over the camera and I know nothing including hacks can broadcast unintended scene. It's ea…
Tape? I bought 10 little plastic sliding cover things on Ali Express for <£2. Unless you're on a 100% China boycott (which I assume wouldn't permit a MacBook anyway) I don't see a reason not to use them. They're fine, permanent, had for 3 years and not fallen off or anything.
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#498As an alternative to a camera cover, use the camera indicator light to determine if your camera is active I've been thinking about privacy all wrong. I thought it was about preventing access to my data... but Apple has cleared up my misunderstanding and now I know that it's just about being notified when my data is stolen. Everyone feel free to post your credit card numbers... your privacy is secure, since your bank…
> I've been thinking about privacy all wrong. I thought it was about preventing access to my data... but Apple has cleared up my misunderstanding and now I know that it's just about being notified when my data is stolen. This comment makes absolutely zero sense in more ways than one. First, in the post Apple also says how you can control exactly which apps have access to the camera in the privacy settings. And, like,…
You’re missing the point. By the time the light is on it’s too late - your privacy has already been violated. Closing the lid only mitigates a camera privacy violation in progress. Covering the camera prevents the privacy violation from happening in the first place. One is a proactive measure and the other is reactive.
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#499None of the proposed solutions do anything to actually stop the camera from taking a picture of you. Sure, you'll see the indicator light up for 3 seconds. But the attacker still got what they needed. Camera covers have nothing to do with identifying compromise. They are strictly for preventing compromise. This is exactly opposite what a camera indicator light does, and thus the indicator should not be considered a "…
This is a great point. This could be solved in software at the OS-level with a permission dialog that popped up every time the camera was asked to be activated (as opposed to an ongoing website permission). Which would be overly annoying for most, but appreciated by a privacy-conscious minority. But unless Apple ever did that (doubtful), once you see the green light it's already too late. It does make me wonder if so…
But that would be hackable, so still not as secure as just covering the camera, which is absolutely foolproof.
Re: Don't close your MacBook with a cover over the camera
#500As an alternative to a camera cover, use the camera indicator light to determine if your camera is active I've been thinking about privacy all wrong. I thought it was about preventing access to my data... but Apple has cleared up my misunderstanding and now I know that it's just about being notified when my data is stolen. Everyone feel free to post your credit card numbers... your privacy is secure, since your bank…
> I've been thinking about privacy all wrong. I thought it was about preventing access to my data... but Apple has cleared up my misunderstanding and now I know that it's just about being notified when my data is stolen. This comment makes absolutely zero sense in more ways than one. First, in the post Apple also says how you can control exactly which apps have access to the camera in the privacy settings. And, like,…
But in those few moments between when I notice the light and when I close the app/lid, my data has been stolen already.
If I'm in a compromising position, I don't want ANY footage of it to be created. If it is a so how frame or multiple seconds, I'm not okay with it. So being told that the notification light is equivalent to covering the camera entirely doesn't line up for me.