Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’ • Hacker News Board

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Post by sdoering » Fri, Jul 10, 2020, 6:25 PM UTC

lovich wrote: post #96

chooseaname wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If any company expects me to access my work email while mobile, they have to provide a phone. I never mix work and personal. I've also never had a company say no to that.

Adding another anecdote, when I said I did not want to let work control my mobile phone, my boss told me I could figure out whether I wanted to keep the job or not

I agree with my co-commenter. At least in Germany your employer isn't allowed to do this. They must provide the means to do your work, if they have specific requirements (having a mobile phone, being reachable, accessing company email and so on).

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Post by tropdrop » Fri, Jul 10, 2020, 6:25 PM UTC

everfree wrote: post #108

fastball wrote: post #90

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Yeah the difference is that if FB violates my rights, I have some recourse. Not so if its the CCP.

What recourse do you mean, exactly?

One can successfully sue Facebook, etc. for violating privacy rights -

https://techcrunch.com/2020/01/29/facebook-will-pay-550-mill...

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Post by ghaff » Fri, Jul 10, 2020, 6:26 PM UTC

RobRivera wrote: post #98

yumraj wrote: post #76

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No, they are controlling the environment under which their company emails can be accessed. If you, as an employee, don't want to remove TikTok I believe you will have that right, it's just that you won't be able to access company emails from that device. Now, whether or not that leads to a company phone or you having to look for another job, depends on the individual and how important that individual is to the compan…

That framing is the exact point. I'm in the same boat. If my employer mandated that I not be able to use a personal device the way i want, a device I bought with wages i earned from working with my employer, the employer really SHOULD provide a cost free alternative. It falls under the category of providing your own resources to do your job, and that territory enters socioeconomic discrimination territory real quick.

I might be with you if Uber, say, is requiring its drivers to install MDM--which I'm guessing would be a really bad idea for their drivers-not-employees position.

But for engineers and other office workers at tech companies?

As a practical matter, people have to buy lots of things to do professional jobs that they wouldn't need to buy without those jobs. In this day and age, if you want a second phone, buying a few year old phone is cheap as is adding another phone to your existing cellular account in most cases.

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Post by bigpumpkin » Fri, Jul 10, 2020, 6:26 PM UTC

echelon wrote: post #113

What's the probability that the Trump admin/DOJ places a nationwide ban on TikTok and other Chinese apps? Could it actually be enforced, or will the First Amendment override any such ban? What would the ramifications be if a ban were enacted? Retaliation from China against domestic companies? Will this be an inflection point in the escalation of the trade war?

25%. Yes. Yes.

Millions of angry teenagers. China retaliates against by barring a few American SAAS companies/ cloud providers on national security grounds.

It's a continuation of trends that were well underway since the Huawei entities list.

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Post by gerbal » Fri, Jul 10, 2020, 6:26 PM UTC

president wrote: post #104

nxc18 wrote: post #91

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They never said US bad. I think its totally reasonable to point out that there was a sudden, drastic shift in tone over the last 3-6 months. TikTok was gaining popularity last summer, and no one, short of a few NYT op-eds, said anything. China is a geopolitical rival. We should probably aspire to be better than them first rather than copy them with an internet firewall and censorship of our own. One of the challenges…

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> > One of the challenges of doing that nowadays is we have a president who thinks cultural genocide of Uighur muslims is 'absolutely the right thing to do' and that Tienanmen square massacre was also the right thing to do.

> Fake news much? See the 2020 Uyghur Rights Act [1]. I have no idea where you came up with this.

This claim originates in John Bolton's book [1] Make of it what you will. Personally it seems pretty consistent.

> At the opening dinner of the Osaka G-20 meeting in June 2019, with only interpreters present, Xi had explained to Trump why he was basically building concentration camps in Xinjiang. According to our interpreter, Trump said that Xi should go ahead with building the camps, which Trump thought was exactly the right thing to do. The National Security Council’s top Asia staffer, Matthew Pottinger, told me that Trump said something very similar during his November 2017 trip to China.

[1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/john-bolton-the-scandal-of-trum...

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Post by sdoering » Fri, Jul 10, 2020, 6:27 PM UTC

cheonic729 wrote: post #95

chooseaname wrote: post #85

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If any company expects me to access my work email while mobile, they have to provide a phone. I never mix work and personal. I've also never had a company say no to that.

> If any company expects me to access my work email while mobile, they have to provide a phone. No they don't. If you don't like it, switch employers.

Depends on the jurisdiction. In Germany they do. Labor rights explicitly says that your employer needs to provide the means for you to do your work. And that includes mobile phones if they want you to access your work email (or whatever) from a mobile device.

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Post by vorpalhex » Fri, Jul 10, 2020, 6:27 PM UTC

dvt wrote: post #109

Looks like TikTok is slowly imploding. I know there's plenty of political implications and a lot of discussion here is on that (which is interesting in its own right), but I wonder if there's opportunity here for a potential competitor.

Between this and streamers such as Ninja talking against the app, I do hope this signals the death knell for tik tok...

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Post by newguy1234 » Fri, Jul 10, 2020, 6:27 PM UTC

dvt wrote: post #109

Looks like TikTok is slowly imploding. I know there's plenty of political implications and a lot of discussion here is on that (which is interesting in its own right), but I wonder if there's opportunity here for a potential competitor.

Wouldn't be surprised if Google, Facebook, or Microsoft suddenly come out with a competing app. Didn't google have one that they shut down recently?

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Post by ralston3 » Fri, Jul 10, 2020, 6:27 PM UTC

maerF0x0 wrote: post #124

dvt wrote: post #109

Looks like TikTok is slowly imploding. I know there's plenty of political implications and a lot of discussion here is on that (which is interesting in its own right), but I wonder if there's opportunity here for a potential competitor.

What does tiktok have that IG stories or SnapChat does not provide? It appears to me that TikTok is just a perpetuation of exclusivity in Social Networks (the same way kids exited FB when their parents signed up) ...

The "For You" page.

Sure its just another algorithmic-based feed. But in my experience (and from talking to a few ppl who enjoy TikTok), the For You page is a differentiator. It's like a combination of what's trending, what's recent (time wise), and what you've spent time interacting (watching, liking, commenting) with previously.

Again all platforms do some form of this, but just saying TikTok does it in a pretty addicting way.

Also combine that with the fact that TikTok videos are so incredibly short that by the time they're over, you haven't even decided whether or not you liked it (no doubt by design), which means you can endlessly consume content.

Also, I've heard that TikTok has better (read: better for comedy-style content) tools to edit videos in the app

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Post by btashton » Fri, Jul 10, 2020, 6:27 PM UTC

paxys wrote: post #88

ehsankia wrote: post #53

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I'm curious, are these 1. Devices owned by Amazon, for work 2. Personal devices with the amazon email added directly 3. Personal devices with amazon email added on Work profile Could not find this info in the articles or tweet.

I don't think any mid-large company allows 2 anymore. Access to company resources always comes with an MDM policy.

I don't get why people are OK with a company being able to wipe a personal device on a whim. If you want full control of my mobile, then provide a mobile.