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LibreOffice: The Next Five Years

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Re: LibreOffice: The Next Five Years

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Ginormous defence spending is how the US do a "social state". That's pretty obvious once you see how defence money is peppered all across the country.

It's a republican jobs program.

Nah the defense industry is smarter than that - it's a bipartisan industry. F-35s have components that are built in every state for a reason.

Re: LibreOffice: The Next Five Years

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I use LibreOffice because it runs on my machine - MS Office doesn't. If MS made a Linux version I'd probably get that. LibreOffice is at its best if you make the docs and edit them just in LibreOffice. It's great at making structured docs. Calc is pretty good too. The PowerPoint equivalent is the weakest of the bunch, crashing frequently. However in the biz world you end up sharing docs and sheets with MS office user…

> If MS made a Linux version I'd probably get that. What about the web based Office 365? It should run fine on Linux, and clearly paid closed-source software isn't an issue for you if you would be willing to pay for traditional Microsoft Office. > However in the biz world you end up sharing docs and sheets with MS office users and that is where things start to go sideways. Office 365 should work swimmingly for this u…

Had to use Office356 recently, because libreoffice kept putting strange, large, unremovable rectangles in the spreadsheet I got handed. I wished, i would not have to touch this Microsoft filth, but I had work to do and libreoffice kept bugging.

Re: LibreOffice: The Next Five Years

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I recommend checking out ONLYOFFICE. They have a personal tier with a small online storage for free. And everything is AGPLv3. https://personal.onlyoffice.com/

OnlyOffice are not a community-oriented project, with their aggressive usage of AGPL+CLA, previous policy of withholding parts of code and throwing the rest over the wall once in a while, and their compatibility is far from what they claim: LibreOffice is far better compatible with MSO. Also, feature-wise it's crippled in comparison not only with LibreOffice proper, but even with LibreOffice Online.

> LibreOffice is far better compatible with MSO

Why do you say that? I trialed both of them with an array of complex Word documents and OnlyOffice far outperformed.

Re: LibreOffice: The Next Five Years

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post #153

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I use LibreOffice because it runs on my machine - MS Office doesn't. If MS made a Linux version I'd probably get that. LibreOffice is at its best if you make the docs and edit them just in LibreOffice. It's great at making structured docs. Calc is pretty good too. The PowerPoint equivalent is the weakest of the bunch, crashing frequently. However in the biz world you end up sharing docs and sheets with MS office user…

> If MS made a Linux version I'd probably get that. What about the web based Office 365? It should run fine on Linux, and clearly paid closed-source software isn't an issue for you if you would be willing to pay for traditional Microsoft Office. > However in the biz world you end up sharing docs and sheets with MS office users and that is where things start to go sideways. Office 365 should work swimmingly for this u…

Personally £7.99 a month for a piece of software I use 1 hour every 6 months is definitely not worth it. Though I'd pay £100 for it no questions asked.

Subscription plans are stupid.

Re: LibreOffice: The Next Five Years

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The ribbon interface was adopted in 2007. That's 13 years ago. What is the jank? It's a tabbed interface of buttons instead of menus and sub menus I've been using Office since the early 90's and the ribbon interface for the last 13 years. I still can't find stuff easily in the ribbon interface. It's like there's some cognitive barrier to me retaining the layout of anything beyond the Home ribbon (or tab?). Any time I…

The key question is: would somebody who learned to use office after 2007 with the ribbon interface appreciate moving back to the pre-2007 interface? My guess is that more people learned to use office after 2007 than before, so the majority of people have no problems using the ribbon. I still yearn for ms-word on dos, and oracle forms on terminal interfaces, once you learned the keyboard shortcuts, nothing was faster.…

MS Word 4.x on the Mac was pretty sweet.

Re: LibreOffice: The Next Five Years

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Democrats in the US House of Representatives just approved a $741 billion defense spending package. It will almost certainly clear the senate and be signed by the president. Imagine taking enough of that money to support these 40 LibreOffice developers and maybe say 20 more. There would be no need for these acrobatics around source availability. I understand why the companies need to do this. But there is an existing…

>Imagine taking enough of that money to support these 40 LibreOffice developers and maybe say 20 more. There are infinite ways to spend every dollar, why is LibreOffice funding worthy? In other words, why is LibreOffice's popularity so low that it cannot find a way to fund its operations? Which then raises the question - why do you want to fund an unpopular project?

It's not really worthy of funding anymore. Certainly not by the government. It's just not competitive with other options. I used to be a longtime Libre Office user. Back then, MS Office was expensive and only available on Windows. Even the Mac version wasn't completely compatible.

MS Office is better than it's ever been, with a variety of licensing options that are affordable. And if you're a student you can get it for peanuts or free. Being able to use the same tools on desktop, web and mobile with everything accessible in OneDrive is a no brainer and outstanding value for the high end price of $99/yr for a family plan. If you're on a less expensive individual plan, a student plan or a discounted plan through your employer's HUP benefits, it's really kind of an easy decision.

Re: LibreOffice: The Next Five Years

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It's weird to me that people complain over "old and ugly" interfaces. Consistency is worth so much more than fad-chasing. Learning something is more worthwhile if you are able to trust that it won't change underneath you. Take MS Office for example, I was made to learn how to use it in elementary school, we had an exam where we got a printed out page and had to reproduce it in an hour. This was supposed to be fundame…

MSFT had reason to believe that the Ribbon was more accessible and discoverable to users than the old menu structure. I was dubious at the time, but since the shift I have come to believe that they are correct. I think the Ribbon is better for the vast majority of users. Interfaces shouldn't be changed for no good reason -- and MSFT is certainly guilty of chasing fads or tweaks without a clear benefit, too, in other…

> MSFT had reason to believe that the Ribbon was more accessible and discoverable to users than the old menu structure. I was dubious at the time, but since the shift I have come to believe that they are correct. I think the Ribbon is better for the vast majority of users.

Microsoft also removed the start menu on Windows once and everybody hated it. Sometimes, MSFT is wrong.

Re: LibreOffice: The Next Five Years

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So much talk about UI this and that - how about leaving UI and feature set alone and instead focus on speed and memory foot print?

Though recent versions are better, it still feels slow compared to Office.

Re: LibreOffice: The Next Five Years

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I was hoping to find an actual plan towards making the software better, more usable, and desirable. Instead it’s just a “marketing plan” about splitting apart something that lags behind.

Where’s the vision?!

Re: LibreOffice: The Next Five Years

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> The problem is compounded by companies that sell inexpensive "support" for LibreOffice, but which are not involved in its development and are not really able to provide that support. Those companies "file all their tickets up-stream and hope they are fixed for free". Companies working in that mode have no problem pricing their offerings below those of the companies doing the actual work (and thus winning much of the business that does exist). In addition, they simply call their offerings "LibreOffice", which actually looks more authentic than services from other companies, which are trying to build their own brands around LibreOffice support.

Is this not a cut-and-dry case of trademark violation?

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