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One woman's stolen identity exposed a system of exam fraud

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Re: One woman's stolen identity exposed a system of exam fraud

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Post by Retric »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #87
Retric wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Official VIP students... wow that’s horrifyingly corrupt. Clearly admissions is also letting things slide, just with less official backing as fewer people need to be involved. In the US, collages have more or less rigorous programs rather than simply letting people slide through.

> Official VIP students... wow that’s horrifyingly corrupt. Clearly admissions is also letting things slide, just with less official backing. I do not think your conclusion follows from your premise.

You just said: “There are ways of getting in to a university without passing the gaokao threshold that would ordinarily be required.”

VIP students is a way to communicate across the university. Otherwise professors have no way of knowing who they need to give extra leniency to. I know collage professors at several schools and we really have nothing widespread like that.

Re: One woman's stolen identity exposed a system of exam fraud

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Post by yters »

thewarrior wrote: post #45
zozin wrote: post #37

This is enraging. Identity theft in the United States can be a headache, sure, but in most cases the financial institutions are the ones taking the brunt of the damage, and even that is probably covered by some sort of insurance scheme. This woman had her entire life stripped away from her, not to mention making her doubt her own abilities by implying she “failed” the exam. How do these people live with themselves, e…

The western sense of morality didn’t stop the admissions scandals to all top western universities like Harvard Stanford and so on. Chinese universities as far as I know don’t have things like institutionalized legacy admissions. I’d like people to reconsider the view that western societies are somehow inherently purer or less corrupt. Often it takes different forms. This can be seen in the way sanctions are imposed f…

I would say there are at least a few clear moral lines the CCP have crossed which Western democracies have not... cough strip mining organs from prisoners cough

Re: One woman's stolen identity exposed a system of exam fraud

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Post by ciarannolan »

leafboi wrote: post #90
duxup wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect the more corrupt the government the population of officials and their corruption level goes hand in hand. But beyond that I'm not sure it has much to do with society as a whole.

It's a society/cultural/behavioral thing. In China they have a saying: 能骗就骗.

Does that just mean "cheat" or is google translate wrong?

Re: One woman's stolen identity exposed a system of exam fraud

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Post by tartoran »

hakka-nyu-su wrote: post #35
leafboi wrote: post #21

What's nuts about this how tons of people from all levels of government/society participated in this conspiracy. It says a lot about the general attitude of Chinese people. (I'm chinese, btw)

Speak for yourself, don't speak on behalf of 1 billion.

Just a question, is HN a available for regular chinese citizens beyond the great firewall? I mean regular people who don’t have a special clearance

Re: One woman's stolen identity exposed a system of exam fraud

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Post by yters »

nouveaux wrote: post #81
thewarrior wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The western sense of morality didn’t stop the admissions scandals to all top western universities like Harvard Stanford and so on. Chinese universities as far as I know don’t have things like institutionalized legacy admissions. I’d like people to reconsider the view that western societies are somehow inherently purer or less corrupt. Often it takes different forms. This can be seen in the way sanctions are imposed f…

Just as many Chinese citizens are proud of their country and culture, there are lots of people in the US who are proud of their country and culture. Are there lots of hypocrites in the United States? Yes. Are there lots of naive people? I mean people still love Trump now while the rest of the world laughs at us. The people in both societies are flawed so let's put that aside. If we look at both systems (and not as in…

Dictatorships can work great, but all it takes is one bad dictator and you are hosed. E.g. the complete ceasation of progress in China once emporers decided to cut off access to the outside world and outlaw logic.

Re: One woman's stolen identity exposed a system of exam fraud

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Post by yters »

thewarrior wrote: post #74
uedue828e wrote: post #69

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Could you elaborate what the differences are so we all can get a clearer picture ? Is your claim that western civilization and values are superior to all others ? Does China for eg kidnap people from other countries on secret flights and then water board them on an island outside of all countries laws ? Did China blanket an entire foreign country in carcinogenic chemicals that caused birth defects for generations ? W…

Is it in the West or Non West where these horrible trangressions are openly discussed and citizens freely elect new officials and educate themselves so such things can never happen again?

Re: One woman's stolen identity exposed a system of exam fraud

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Post by dang »

leafboi wrote: post #21

What's nuts about this how tons of people from all levels of government/society participated in this conspiracy. It says a lot about the general attitude of Chinese people. (I'm chinese, btw)

Please don't post nationalistic flamebait to HN, even if you're personally of that nation. It starts flamewars either way, and we don't want those here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: One woman's stolen identity exposed a system of exam fraud

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Post by leafboi »

ciarannolan wrote: post #93
leafboi wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a society/cultural/behavioral thing. In China they have a saying: 能骗就骗.

Does that just mean "cheat" or is google translate wrong?

translation:

  If you can cheat, cheat.
literal word for word translation:

  Can cheat. Do cheat.
In Chinese the word lie can be used in place of cheat and in this context it means something similar to cheating other people.

Re: One woman's stolen identity exposed a system of exam fraud

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Post by jariel »

thewarrior wrote: post #45
zozin wrote: post #37

This is enraging. Identity theft in the United States can be a headache, sure, but in most cases the financial institutions are the ones taking the brunt of the damage, and even that is probably covered by some sort of insurance scheme. This woman had her entire life stripped away from her, not to mention making her doubt her own abilities by implying she “failed” the exam. How do these people live with themselves, e…

The western sense of morality didn’t stop the admissions scandals to all top western universities like Harvard Stanford and so on. Chinese universities as far as I know don’t have things like institutionalized legacy admissions. I’d like people to reconsider the view that western societies are somehow inherently purer or less corrupt. Often it takes different forms. This can be seen in the way sanctions are imposed f…

"I’d like people to reconsider the view that western societies are somehow inherently purer or less corrupt. "

That's fine, we can be open to that perspective, but we should also try to be objective and accept that there are rough objective measures of 'corruption', upon some places are going to do better than others, and that arguments based on cultural relativism are usually not very strong.

Transparency international has at least one take on it [1]

[1] https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2018/results

Re: One woman's stolen identity exposed a system of exam fraud

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Post by alasdair_ »

markus_zhang wrote: post #31

Back in the days when electronics records were not the norm there were a lot of these things especially in less-developed provinces. Nowadays it's better but I'd suspect there are still things similar going on. In the less developed areas of China the so called "Cheng Guan Wu Ju Tou" (The five masters of the town, usually includes the party secretary, the town mayor, vice mayors and maybe a couple of other important…

>Back in the days when electronics records were not the norm there were a lot of these things especially in less-developed provinces. Nowadays it's better but I'd suspect there are still things similar going on.

Like some Chinese criminals with money hiring body doubles to serve their prison term for them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ding_zui

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