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Re: Facebook takes down accounts and pages of Roger Stone

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Post by Alupis »

aahhahahaaa wrote: post #21
twsttest wrote: post #15

> "that included a Nazi symbol" I believe it was an upside down triangle... That's a common symbol and just happened to match an obscure Nazi symbol I think very few people alive today have ever seen before. Just more propaganda repeated over and over. "Nope, it wasn't an upside down triangle, it was a Nazi symbol. Everyone using upside down triangles is hereafter deemed to be making Nazi dogwhistles!"

I see this come up a lot and it seems silly, let's summarize: • The ad was about a political stance they disagree with (Antifa) • The upside-down red triangle was specifically used to mark groups of prisoners who participated in anti-nazi political speech So what's the alternative? That the Trump campaign chose an upside-down red triangle in an ad at random because... it's uh... a shape? Do they also have ads with bl…

Seems Antifa has been affiliated with the upside down red triangle before any Trump campaign images used it[1]

[1] https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/a/47921/36967

Re: Facebook takes down accounts and pages of Roger Stone

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Post by steffandroid »

twsttest wrote: post #15

> "that included a Nazi symbol" I believe it was an upside down triangle... That's a common symbol and just happened to match an obscure Nazi symbol I think very few people alive today have ever seen before. Just more propaganda repeated over and over. "Nope, it wasn't an upside down triangle, it was a Nazi symbol. Everyone using upside down triangles is hereafter deemed to be making Nazi dogwhistles!"

The Trump campaign said they used it because it's a "symbol widely used by Antifa" - which is a lie, it's not.

Re: Facebook takes down accounts and pages of Roger Stone

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Post by chillacy »

sjg007 wrote: post #23

I think FB has a rule that people in prison are not allowed to be on Facebook.

It sounds like the rule is formally "you can't run an account of someone else"? Coupled with the other rule that prisons set of "you can't maintain a social network account in prison", that means there's no way to have an account: https://www.themarshallproject.org/2016/04/14/should-prisone...

Re: Facebook takes down accounts and pages of Roger Stone

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Post by olivermarks »

uncoder0 wrote: post #24
shripadk wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are not wrong in your assessment. It is clearly bias at play. This will change the social media landscape where you will have platforms delineated by political ideologies. It is sad that it is happening but it is true that voices are being suppressed. Suppression/Censorship of speech has never lead to a free society. The opposite in fact!

You are correct. Reddit tried to change all the moderators on the Donald Trump subreddit a few months back and in response the moderators built thedonald.win. After the recent ban wave of subs several others moved to the '.win network'.

I think the time has come for the major big tech PLATFORMS to declare their formal political allegiances and end the travesty they are 'just providing a Section230 service'. The EU's MEPs are organized by political views rather than party in a Burning Man style semi circle to debate the political views of the Commissioners and provide some input. In many ways the tech world could be organized in a similar way to better provide free speech and formally 'biased' platforms.

Re: Facebook takes down accounts and pages of Roger Stone

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Post by ed25519FUUU »

> Nathaniel Gleicher, Facebook’s head of cybersecurity policy, said the removals were meant to show that artificially inflating engagement for political impact would be stopped, no matter how well connected the practitioners.

Taking the goodwill approach for Facebook's actions, they determined Stone "broke the rules". I don't personally think these actions pass the consistency "smell test" of good community governance.

That's the beautiful thing about vague policy, they can be selectively enforced. When there's pushback, well, the rules are the rules right?

Re: Facebook takes down accounts and pages of Roger Stone

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Post by twsttest »

javagram wrote: post #28
aahhahahaaa wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see this come up a lot and it seems silly, let's summarize: • The ad was about a political stance they disagree with (Antifa) • The upside-down red triangle was specifically used to mark groups of prisoners who participated in anti-nazi political speech So what's the alternative? That the Trump campaign chose an upside-down red triangle in an ad at random because... it's uh... a shape? Do they also have ads with bl…

They didn’t choose the symbol at random but rather because it’s the symbol many Antifa supporters use to brand their movement https://www.redbubble.com/i/sticker/Antifascist-Red-Triangle... Perhaps Antifa itself got the symbol from nazis though?

Exactly. It's so blatantly political propaganda. The scary part is that "respected" outlets like NPR and others pick up the headline and run with it knowing that the link to Nazi imagery is tenuous at best.

This is pulled directly from an NPR article denouncing the triangle as a Nazi symbol:

"Trump campaign spokesman Tim Murtaugh said that some products are sold online that use the inverted red triangle in antifa imagery, though experts said it is not a commonly adopted symbol among anti-fascist activists.

"We would note that Facebook still has an inverted red triangle emoji in use, which looks exactly the same, so it's curious that they would target only this ad," Murtaugh said"

Which is a perfectly reasonable explanation that's ignored by the Democratic Party's political propagandists in the media.

Re: Facebook takes down accounts and pages of Roger Stone

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Post by chrisdirkis »

Alupis wrote: post #31
aahhahahaaa wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see this come up a lot and it seems silly, let's summarize: • The ad was about a political stance they disagree with (Antifa) • The upside-down red triangle was specifically used to mark groups of prisoners who participated in anti-nazi political speech So what's the alternative? That the Trump campaign chose an upside-down red triangle in an ad at random because... it's uh... a shape? Do they also have ads with bl…

Seems Antifa has been affiliated with the upside down red triangle before any Trump campaign images used it[1] [1] https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/a/47921/36967

To quote the top answer on that questions:

> To claim like the campaign that this would be the symbol, or even a really common one – in the US – seems to not have been true. This changed obviously in a reverse-Streisand now.

Re: Facebook takes down accounts and pages of Roger Stone

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Post by pdkl95 »

aahhahahaaa wrote: post #21
twsttest wrote: post #15

> "that included a Nazi symbol" I believe it was an upside down triangle... That's a common symbol and just happened to match an obscure Nazi symbol I think very few people alive today have ever seen before. Just more propaganda repeated over and over. "Nope, it wasn't an upside down triangle, it was a Nazi symbol. Everyone using upside down triangles is hereafter deemed to be making Nazi dogwhistles!"

I see this come up a lot and it seems silly, let's summarize: • The ad was about a political stance they disagree with (Antifa) • The upside-down red triangle was specifically used to mark groups of prisoners who participated in anti-nazi political speech So what's the alternative? That the Trump campaign chose an upside-down red triangle in an ad at random because... it's uh... a shape? Do they also have ads with bl…

The triangle wasn't the only Nazi reference. They ran 88 variations of the ad, and the first sentence had 14 words. Both numbers are well-known references used by neo-Nazis for decades.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/88_Precepts

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words

edit: If anyone doesn't believe that "14 words" is a neo-Nazi dog-whistle, here's the Anti-Defamation League's explanation:

https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/14-wor...

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