Facebook takes down accounts and pages of Roger Stone • Hacker News Board

Re: Facebook takes down accounts and pages of Roger Stone

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Post by aahhahahaaa » Wed, Jul 08, 2020, 10:18 PM UTC

twsttest wrote: post #15

> "that included a Nazi symbol" I believe it was an upside down triangle... That's a common symbol and just happened to match an obscure Nazi symbol I think very few people alive today have ever seen before. Just more propaganda repeated over and over. "Nope, it wasn't an upside down triangle, it was a Nazi symbol. Everyone using upside down triangles is hereafter deemed to be making Nazi dogwhistles!"

I see this come up a lot and it seems silly, let's summarize:

• The ad was about a political stance they disagree with (Antifa)

• The upside-down red triangle was specifically used to mark groups of prisoners who participated in anti-nazi political speech

So what's the alternative? That the Trump campaign chose an upside-down red triangle in an ad at random because... it's uh... a shape?

Do they also have ads with blue circles? pink rectangles? hmm, no.

Have they also "accidentally" used gold 6-pointed stars? yes.

Re: Facebook takes down accounts and pages of Roger Stone

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Post by brokencode » Wed, Jul 08, 2020, 10:19 PM UTC

noja wrote: post #3

qrbLPHiKpiux wrote: post #2

The digital era is not kind to preserving history.

You could say the same about the slave trader statues or the army bases named after certain people.

I see this opinion all the time about taking down statues, but how does that make any sense? Is there a movement that is burning books and taking down Wikipedia pages to go along with the statues? Because when I want to learn about history, I don’t check my local city hall..

Statues are often used to glorify or celebrate famous historical figures. I think Confederate statues would work well in a museum with context explaining the horrors of slavery, but to display them in public places is more glory than they deserve.

Many Confederates no doubt showed courage and other commendable qualities, but I do not agree with celebrating people who betrayed their country to fight for slavery.

Re: Facebook takes down accounts and pages of Roger Stone

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Post by sjg007 » Wed, Jul 08, 2020, 10:20 PM UTC

I think FB has a rule that people in prison are not allowed to be on Facebook.

Re: Facebook takes down accounts and pages of Roger Stone

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Post by uncoder0 » Wed, Jul 08, 2020, 10:20 PM UTC

shripadk wrote: post #17

olivermarks wrote: post #14

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You are not wrong in your assessment. It is clearly bias at play. This will change the social media landscape where you will have platforms delineated by political ideologies. It is sad that it is happening but it is true that voices are being suppressed. Suppression/Censorship of speech has never lead to a free society. The opposite in fact!

You are correct. Reddit tried to change all the moderators on the Donald Trump subreddit a few months back and in response the moderators built thedonald.win. After the recent ban wave of subs several others moved to the '.win network'.

Re: Facebook takes down accounts and pages of Roger Stone

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Post by ed25519FUUU » Wed, Jul 08, 2020, 10:20 PM UTC

sjg007 wrote: post #23

I think FB has a rule that people in prison are not allowed to be on Facebook.

Roger Stone is not in prison. He's expected to report to prison next week pending an appeal.

Re: Facebook takes down accounts and pages of Roger Stone

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Post by konfusinomicon » Wed, Jul 08, 2020, 10:20 PM UTC

tvanantwerp wrote: post #9

qrbLPHiKpiux wrote: post #2

The digital era is not kind to preserving history.

Not just in terms of data preservation, but also in the amounts and the ever-quicker shifts of context. I can barely understand the controversy of the day on Twitter as it is, and I'm living through it. I don't know how future historians will make any sense of the data we do leave behind.

Hopefully by that time there will be algorithms capable of applying some kind of meaning to the madness. It will be quite interesting to get a big picture view of something like 100+ years of global social media history

Re: Facebook takes down accounts and pages of Roger Stone

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Post by brightball » Wed, Jul 08, 2020, 10:21 PM UTC

tvanantwerp wrote: post #9

qrbLPHiKpiux wrote: post #2

The digital era is not kind to preserving history.

Not just in terms of data preservation, but also in the amounts and the ever-quicker shifts of context. I can barely understand the controversy of the day on Twitter as it is, and I'm living through it. I don't know how future historians will make any sense of the data we do leave behind.

It will be a line item in a text book one day.

“During the early 21st century as “social media” began to emerge, various political forces attempted to manipulate it to achieve their goals. Luckily, only the bad people were unsuccessful.”

Re: Facebook takes down accounts and pages of Roger Stone

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Post by javagram » Wed, Jul 08, 2020, 10:21 PM UTC

aahhahahaaa wrote: post #21

twsttest wrote: post #15

> "that included a Nazi symbol" I believe it was an upside down triangle... That's a common symbol and just happened to match an obscure Nazi symbol I think very few people alive today have ever seen before. Just more propaganda repeated over and over. "Nope, it wasn't an upside down triangle, it was a Nazi symbol. Everyone using upside down triangles is hereafter deemed to be making Nazi dogwhistles!"

I see this come up a lot and it seems silly, let's summarize: • The ad was about a political stance they disagree with (Antifa) • The upside-down red triangle was specifically used to mark groups of prisoners who participated in anti-nazi political speech So what's the alternative? That the Trump campaign chose an upside-down red triangle in an ad at random because... it's uh... a shape? Do they also have ads with bl…

They didn’t choose the symbol at random but rather because it’s the symbol many Antifa supporters use to brand their movement https://www.redbubble.com/i/sticker/Antifascist-Red-Triangle...

Perhaps Antifa itself got the symbol from nazis though?

Re: Facebook takes down accounts and pages of Roger Stone

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Post by shripadk » Wed, Jul 08, 2020, 10:23 PM UTC

uncoder0 wrote: post #24

shripadk wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are not wrong in your assessment. It is clearly bias at play. This will change the social media landscape where you will have platforms delineated by political ideologies. It is sad that it is happening but it is true that voices are being suppressed. Suppression/Censorship of speech has never lead to a free society. The opposite in fact!

You are correct. Reddit tried to change all the moderators on the Donald Trump subreddit a few months back and in response the moderators built thedonald.win. After the recent ban wave of subs several others moved to the '.win network'.

Yes! It is happening everywhere. Any right or right of centric publication, channel, individual is ripe for targeting in the current social media landscape. There is literally zero protection or recourse. It is their platforms and they can do whatever they please. In essence, these social media companies wield influence greater than many Governments in the World. This sort of unchecked power is scary to say the least!

Re: Facebook takes down accounts and pages of Roger Stone

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Post by CerealFounder » Wed, Jul 08, 2020, 10:23 PM UTC

shripadk wrote: post #17

olivermarks wrote: post #14

[flagged]

You are not wrong in your assessment. It is clearly bias at play. This will change the social media landscape where you will have platforms delineated by political ideologies. It is sad that it is happening but it is true that voices are being suppressed. Suppression/Censorship of speech has never lead to a free society. The opposite in fact!

What? Did you just read the headline and assume? If we're gonna hold the community responsible for quality of discourse than this should be downvoted. These are just finger pointing with not support. It feels like Twitter comment with no intellectual rigor. This isnt a shot at the writer, instead a commenting on the value added to the dialouge.

This seems to be much more "squeaky wheel gets the grease" than some political ideology.

Also, this argument is ridiculous. Facebook is NOT US democracy, it's a media company that gatekeeper, like TV before it, Radio before that and townhall meetings before that. Theyve never allowed sex work or profanity on the site and there was little fanfare over that decision. These companies are the next "Type" of media and the extension of that is the power to shape acceptable culture. The real problem is that its being hearlded as both a utility (citizen communication right) and a media company (broadcast and ad network) and dodging the historically clear responsiblities of both camps by claiming to be the other when it comes time to pay the piper.

To end with a clearer analogy. Facebook is cable TV where you are the channel. Then they add commercial breaks between your rants, pictures of cats and support of some political idea. They even ask you to stump for your own "subscribers." Cleverly they've simultaneously made it a messaging product as well to dilute the metaphor above.