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Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by doliveira »

gizmo wrote: post #70
midrus wrote: post #9

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Because that 1% of people are lives that still matter??? WTF... I can't believe this.

We didn't lock down for the Hong Kong flu or similar pandemics, because the damage caused by a lockdown is immense. Health damage caused by delayed cancer screenings and organ transplants. Psychological damage caused by lockdown and unemployment. Unbelievable economic damage. How to respond to a pandemic is a trade-off. People die in traffic accidents every day. Do we set a nation-wide speed limit of 5 MPH? No. Of co…

Yours remind me of a comment from an (in)famous Brazilian political commenter that claimed that "more people die by choking" at the beginning of the pandemic.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by fullstop »

Press2forEN wrote: post #81
ulisesrmzroche wrote: post #76

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Doesnt mean it’s very likely. Scientific consensus around masks is pretty clear Not everybody’s opinions are valid regardless of credentials

It was clear back in February too. "Stop buying masks, they don't help." Then in April the consensus did a 180. Consensus doesn't equal fact.

I might be wrong here, but I am pretty sure that it was "stop buying N95 masks".

I'll go back and look, though.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by EForEndeavour »

thepangolino wrote: post #37
pucallpa wrote: post #5

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i wonder if he nows thinks is a "little flu"

He definitely seems to be handling it quite alright. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG0WaCmO56E

So did Boris Johnson, who announced his positive test on March 27 in a Twitter video which showed him perfectly lucid and without noticeable symptoms [1]. He posted regular video updates, appearing quite healthy in all of them, but his condition suddenly worsened on April 6, a full 10 days after his initial announcement video [2].

This is anecdata, of course, but Bolsonaro is 65, a full 9 years older than Johnson, so he's by no means in the clear.

[1] https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1243496858095411200

[2] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/05/timeline-boris...

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

catalogia wrote: post #90
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #64

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Not the same 'died because of insufficient facilities' curve, not at all. Flattening is so healthcare capacity is not exceeded. Not-flattening has dire consequence, far beyond 'the same area under the curve'. Its the peaks of the curve that trigger the consequences.

> Flattening is so healthcare capacity is not exceeded. Sweden avoided that scenario. Their system was strained but did not collapse. They're still on track to have the same area under their curve. > The pandemic has put the Swedish healthcare system under severe strain, with tens of thousands of operations having been postponed. Initially, Swedish hospitals and other facilities reported a shortage of personal protec…

I'm glad for them. What works in Sweden, may not work the same elsewhere.

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Post by ceejayoz »

catalogia wrote: post #90
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #64

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Not the same 'died because of insufficient facilities' curve, not at all. Flattening is so healthcare capacity is not exceeded. Not-flattening has dire consequence, far beyond 'the same area under the curve'. Its the peaks of the curve that trigger the consequences.

> Flattening is so healthcare capacity is not exceeded. Sweden avoided that scenario. Their system was strained but did not collapse. They're still on track to have the same area under their curve. > The pandemic has put the Swedish healthcare system under severe strain, with tens of thousands of operations having been postponed. Initially, Swedish hospitals and other facilities reported a shortage of personal protec…

> Reports of Sweden's demise have been greatly exaggerated.

Reports of Sweden's success are likely premature, though. The world has a long way left to go.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by pera »

thepangolino wrote: post #37
pucallpa wrote: post #5

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i wonder if he nows thinks is a "little flu"

He definitely seems to be handling it quite alright. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG0WaCmO56E

I don't know, his lips look a bit purple...

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by burgerzzz »

ceejayoz wrote: post #82
burgerzzz wrote: post #73

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I find this ironic in that the same people now suddenly believe every single life needs to be protected were the same people who supported drone strikes throughout the Middle East when it was Obama taking the lives. Now the "other guys" are risking lives and it's politically expedient, so everyone on one side of the political spectrum just joins this chorus of every life matters sans critical thought, devoid of any w…

Depending on who you ask, drone strikes have killed somewhere between a couple hundred and a couple thousand civilians. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_from_U.S._... ) 1% of the world is 78 million people dead. (The virus won't hit 100% of people, but the numbers are already in the hundreds of thousands worldwide.)

So because it was a smaller number, they’re less important? All I’m asking (and it applies to everyone of any political ideology) is where is the outrage when your favored party either allows or is responsible outright for deaths? Also, unintentional deaths are in the same ballpark as coronavirus deaths, why don’t we criminalize vehicles, bubble wrap our homes, or avoid anything that could possibly harm us? It’s a fair question in my mind.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by catalogia »

ceejayoz wrote: post #95
catalogia wrote: post #90

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> Flattening is so healthcare capacity is not exceeded. Sweden avoided that scenario. Their system was strained but did not collapse. They're still on track to have the same area under their curve. > The pandemic has put the Swedish healthcare system under severe strain, with tens of thousands of operations having been postponed. Initially, Swedish hospitals and other facilities reported a shortage of personal protec…

> Reports of Sweden's demise have been greatly exaggerated. Reports of Sweden's success are likely premature, though. The world has a long way left to go.

I don't think it's premature to say Sweden has been successful. It may not be over yet, but this trend is pretty clear: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Sweden#De...

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by Pxtl »

catalogia wrote: post #90
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the same 'died because of insufficient facilities' curve, not at all. Flattening is so healthcare capacity is not exceeded. Not-flattening has dire consequence, far beyond 'the same area under the curve'. Its the peaks of the curve that trigger the consequences.

> Flattening is so healthcare capacity is not exceeded. Sweden avoided that scenario. Their system was strained but did not collapse. They're still on track to have the same area under their curve. > The pandemic has put the Swedish healthcare system under severe strain, with tens of thousands of operations having been postponed. Initially, Swedish hospitals and other facilities reported a shortage of personal protec…

From wiki article

> Compared to other Scandinavian nations, Sweden has experienced a much higher number of COVID-19 deaths; eight times that of Denmark and 19 times higher than Norway, despite being only twice those nations' populations

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Post by monkmartinez »

ReptileMan wrote: post #62
BoiledCabbage wrote: post #16

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I really wish people (not you) would stop pushing the idea that death is the only consequence of COVID. Three different NFL players have said their lungs still aren't recovered and they're still getting winded months after having COVID. These are people in their 30s and younger and in some of the best fitness in the world. Plenty of stories of blood clotting leading to many other issues in the general population duri…

>These are people in their 30s and younger and in some of the best fitness in the world. Professional athletes are known to be playing fast and loose with performance enhancing substances. So I am not sure that fitness and healthy are synonymous for them.

I don't know why you are being downvoted! I agree with you... just because you are a professional athlete doesn't automatically place you in the "healthy" category. Its not just performance enhancing drugs either. These guys and gals beat the living crud out of their bodies and have to maintain body weight and strength that may not benefit their health. It is complex, but I don't for one second correlate healthy to professional athletes there are just too many cases that point toward, "its complicated and actually points toward, it is dangerous for your health to be a professional athlete."
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