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Int. students may need to leave US if classes are 100% Remote

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Re: Int. students may need to leave US if classes are 100% Remote

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Post by mindslight »

HarryHirsch wrote: post #40

The missing perspective is that there are visa mills just as there are diploma mills, and that enforcement from both Immigration and Customs and Department of Education is piss-weak. They should have gotten on top of these institutions long ago, but they wouldn't, so here we are. There is Georgia Tech, but there is also the College of Northern Virginia. Here is some background: https://cis.org/Report/Dregs-Higher-Edu…

That's basically the cycle of bloated USG bureaucracy in a nutshell. Don't predictably go after bad actors because there aren't enough enforcement resources to spend prosecuting small operations. Enact many overbearing draconian regulations in response to the continued existence of the bad actors. This creates chilling effects and compliance costs on the good actors. Large institutions benefit from their position becoming more entrenched with paperwork. Repeat.

Re: Int. students may need to leave US if classes are 100% Remote

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Post by x3n0ph3n3 »

jhpriestley wrote: post #67
HarryHirsch wrote: post #40

The missing perspective is that there are visa mills just as there are diploma mills, and that enforcement from both Immigration and Customs and Department of Education is piss-weak. They should have gotten on top of these institutions long ago, but they wouldn't, so here we are. There is Georgia Tech, but there is also the College of Northern Virginia. Here is some background: https://cis.org/Report/Dregs-Higher-Edu…

The missing context on your comment is that the CIS is a hate group according to the SPLC, which is among other heinous things in favor of the family separation policy, a crime against humanity.

SPLC is a joke nowadays. They scoop up all sorts of names and label them hatemongers. It takes a lawsuit to get them to recant: [1]

1. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/06/maajid-...

Re: Int. students may need to leave US if classes are 100% Remote

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Post by burkaman »

bruceb wrote: post #84
three_seagrass wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's another measurable, negative impact of the America First philosophy [1]. 40% of the Fortune 500 companies are founded by immigrant families [2][3], so the U.S. is really shooting itself in the foot (again). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_(policy) [2] F500 2010: http://research.newamericaneconomy.org/wp-content/uploads/20... (pdf) [3] F500 2017: https://startupsusa.org/fortune500/

This 40% stat gets pushed all the time with no context. The way it sounds is that super immigrants are starting these companies. But the way the study is, a 5 person founding team could have 1 person who was son/daughter of immigrant and then it is counted. Lots of valuable brains are outside the country, but doesn't mean we should traffic in somewhat misleading statistics.

How is that misleading?

Re: Int. students may need to leave US if classes are 100% Remote

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Post by conanbatt »

I think this is done on purpose but not as an immigration move. Its a play against universities, a political enemy of Trump.

At the same time this is happening, they are waiving the degree requirement for federal employment: a nice little monopoly rent universities had, as well as the immigration one. Americans might not appreciate this but not only colleges subsist on international students: they subsist on them requiring degrees for visas and to get preferential visa treatment. It's a path to residency.

I would have much preferred that there was a semblance of Rule of Law, and it would be more like discounting college degrees entirely for immigration and remove special visa privileges for students, but this gov is stupidly against immigration.

Re: Int. students may need to leave US if classes are 100% Remote

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Post by bruceb »

zasz wrote: post #75
colechristensen wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some logic needs to come in too though, what is the point of an international student renting an apartment in the US and taking a class over the Internet? Student visas make good sense, allow people from around the world to come here and get an education which is better or different and have a cultural exchange... but if coming here just gets you the cultural exchange of going to the grocery store and watching lectur…

Not every international student has a good internet connection at home, and collaborating with students in the US could be extremely different if they come from a very different time zone.

If you can study in the US, generally you are not poor. You are paying high rent in the US. They can afford more than one internet connection with mostly likly significantly reduce living costs.

Re: Int. students may need to leave US if classes are 100% Remote

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Post by mc32 »

zasz wrote: post #75
colechristensen wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some logic needs to come in too though, what is the point of an international student renting an apartment in the US and taking a class over the Internet? Student visas make good sense, allow people from around the world to come here and get an education which is better or different and have a cultural exchange... but if coming here just gets you the cultural exchange of going to the grocery store and watching lectur…

Not every international student has a good internet connection at home, and collaborating with students in the US could be extremely different if they come from a very different time zone.

That would be a slim minority. Most intl students are in au courant language “privileged” and are either upper middle or at least middle class. Very few live the life of a lower stratum American.

Re: Int. students may need to leave US if classes are 100% Remote

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Post by [deleted] »

curiousllama wrote: post #43

This is just another step in a broad-based program to make sure as few highly qualified people as possible can come to learn and work in the US. (1) F1 visas have been effectively banned in much of the world since COVID started - the required interviews could only be done in now-closed centers. (2) H1B, L1, H4, and J1 visas have been suspended until the end of the year, leaving OPT transfers, H1B lottery winners (alr…

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Re: Int. students may need to leave US if classes are 100% Remote

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Post by jb775 »

International students should be allowed to stay as long as they're full-time, and are accepted into an accredited university with the intention of attending in person.

I guess the gray area here is that colleges, many of them being for-profit entities, are facing big drops in enrollment and can essentially sell US citizenship in exchange for tuition payments. Once an online course system is set up, the only cost is generating new user credentials.

Re: Int. students may need to leave US if classes are 100% Remote

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Post by conanbatt »

twsttest wrote: post #69
curiousllama wrote: post #43

This is just another step in a broad-based program to make sure as few highly qualified people as possible can come to learn and work in the US. (1) F1 visas have been effectively banned in much of the world since COVID started - the required interviews could only be done in now-closed centers. (2) H1B, L1, H4, and J1 visas have been suspended until the end of the year, leaving OPT transfers, H1B lottery winners (alr…

The US allows over 1 million immigrants per year. Maybe less the past year, but still extremely high on an immigrant per capita basis. H1B was being abused and needed to be reigned in. There are still plenty of people coming into the country through various means, the US is still extremely generous with immigration. There are plenty of qualified citizens here and in the zero sum game that is hiring national immigrati…

H1B abuse doesn't exist. It's made up. You multiply the quota by 100x and it wouldn't exist as a concept, same as J1 nanny visas being abused doesn't exist.
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