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Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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It is quite possible for someone to have all the credentials you specified and still agree with OP. Trying to credential-shame someone out of the conversation doesn't help anyone.

Doesnt mean it’s very likely. Scientific consensus around masks is pretty clear Not everybody’s opinions are valid regardless of credentials

It was clear back in February too. "Stop buying masks, they don't help." Then in April the consensus did a 180.

Consensus doesn't equal fact.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Because that 1% of people are lives that still matter??? WTF... I can't believe this.

I find this ironic in that the same people now suddenly believe every single life needs to be protected were the same people who supported drone strikes throughout the Middle East when it was Obama taking the lives. Now the "other guys" are risking lives and it's politically expedient, so everyone on one side of the political spectrum just joins this chorus of every life matters sans critical thought, devoid of any w…

Depending on who you ask, drone strikes have killed somewhere between a couple hundred and a couple thousand civilians. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_from_U.S._...)

1% of the world is 78 million people dead. (The virus won't hit 100% of people, but the numbers are already in the hundreds of thousands worldwide.)

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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The vice-president takes office. He's a retired Army General as crazy as Bolsonaro regarding social values etc but in multiple times he talked much more reasonably than the actual president about sensitive topics and he seems actually smarter, at least. He almost makes us believe he's better than the president but I think it's just a "vice-president" façade. If he also dies testing positive, then the president of the…

Super interesting that a member of the supreme court is in line for succession. It's not the worst idea. Say what you want about various members of the SCOTUS and their individual values -- but every single one of them at least has a sense of logic and rationality by nature of their work.

Not only that but the president of the supreme court changes every 2 years and it's always a very predictable election with the oldest member taking office unless the person has always done so in the past (and the whole process restarts after the last one, if they ever live enough as we have 10+1 justices and they are also required to retire after they are 75).

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Because that 1% of people are lives that still matter??? WTF... I can't believe this.

Not to be insensitive, but we can’t assume a vaccine will be developed. Flattening the curve of infection (under this assumption) still has a similar area under the curve... (i.e. people are going to get infected, people are going to die because the virus is not going away).

One point of flattening the curve is so people won't die waiting for a hospital bed to open up. Some of those people would have died anyway, but not all of them. Even supportive care like oxygen and intubation does actually seem to save some lives, and doctors are getting better at it with time.

Additionally, treatments are getting better. Do you want to get sick in 6 months when everyone can get remdesivir and Regeneron's antibody therapy[0], or do you want to get it during a spike where you can't even be treated?

[0] https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2020/07/06/regener...

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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I really wish people (not you) would stop pushing the idea that death is the only consequence of COVID. Three different NFL players have said their lungs still aren't recovered and they're still getting winded months after having COVID. These are people in their 30s and younger and in some of the best fitness in the world. Plenty of stories of blood clotting leading to many other issues in the general population duri…

Aren't we all going to catch this sooner or later, especially with recent reports that it spreads 30 feet in the air through just breathing [1]? So while there are lasting effects on some who are infected, the vast majority probably handle it totally fine, there are probably more people who have had it than we previously thought, especially considering we're changing our assumptions on how contagious it is, and we're…

> Aren't we all going to catch this sooner or later,

You can get it if you want. I'm gonna opt for the vaccine instead.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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What would happen if Bolsanaro doesn't survive? How does succession works in Brazil. Is the next person in line more or less rational than Bolsanaro. Also can it end up leading Brazil further to the right due to sympathy votes? Or will it make people realise his incompetence if something happens to him.

Like most people who get infected, its very unlikely he is going to die from this, he'll recover and move on.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Not to be insensitive, but what's the death rate for healthy individuals in his age range? Next to zero? Italy reported that 99% of those who died from Corona had other health issues.[1] In my county (county, not country) it was reported that 99.4% of our Covid cases have recovered, and that was just the cases that were tracked. Yes, the vulnerable should be taken care of, but legitimately asking - why is there still…

I find useful to transform percentages to population scales. In your case, 99.4% recovery rate equals a 0.6% fatality rate. That translates to 1 fatality for every 166 people infected. Think about your social circle, how big is it? How many people there would be affected?

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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i wonder if he nows thinks is a "little flu"

He definitely seems to be handling it quite alright. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG0WaCmO56E

This is so sad. He will now go bragging how it is just a flu, as he said.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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He will probably (according to mortality rates) survive, and prove himself right that he could shrug it off. If he doesn't, it doesn't matter that he was wrong, because he won't be in a position to care.

Which will be our fate following such leaders.

Re: Brazil's President Bolsonaro tests positive for coronavirus

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Assuming an effective vaccine doesn't come anytime soon, which thusfar seems a safe assumption, other countries will have many deaths as well, just spread out more over the coming months/year[s?]. A flattened curve has the same area under it.

Not the same 'died because of insufficient facilities' curve, not at all. Flattening is so healthcare capacity is not exceeded. Not-flattening has dire consequence, far beyond 'the same area under the curve'. Its the peaks of the curve that trigger the consequences.

> Flattening is so healthcare capacity is not exceeded.

Sweden avoided that scenario. Their system was strained but did not collapse. They're still on track to have the same area under their curve.

> The pandemic has put the Swedish healthcare system under severe strain, with tens of thousands of operations having been postponed. Initially, Swedish hospitals and other facilities reported a shortage of personal protective equipment. At the start of the pandemic, concerns were made that Swedish hospitals wouldn't have enough capacity to treat all who could become ill with the disease, especially in regard to those needing intensive care. Swedish hospitals were eventually able to double the number of intensive care beds in a few weeks, and the maximum capacity was never exceeded.

Furthermore while their number of cases per day has been growing rapidly, the number of ICU hospitalizations per day and deaths per day have both been falling since April. Reports of Sweden's demise have been greatly exaggerated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Sweden

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> Compared to other Scandinavian nations, Sweden has experienced a much higher number of COVID-19 deaths; eight times that of Denmark and 19 times higher than Norway, despite being only twice those nations' populations

Yes, that's exactly what you'd expect from a country that doesn't flatten their curve. A country that doesn't flatten their curve will have more deaths up front, but that doesn't mean they'll have more deaths in total when all is said and done.

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