I've spent some time in the chip industry. It is awful, backwards, and super far behind. I didn't appreciate the full power of open source until I saw an industry that operates without it. Want a linter for your project? That's going to be $50k. Also, it's an absolutely terrible linter by software standards. In software, linters combine the best ideas from thousands of engineers across dozens of companies building on…
Google offers free fabbing for 130nm open-source chips
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Re: Google offers free fabbing for 130nm open-source chips
#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
And this is the reason some companies have shift work... But that all means nothing for companies who buy Virtuoso copies from from guys trading WaReZ in pedestrian underpasses in BJ. A number of quite reputable SoC brands here in the PRD are known to be based on 100% pirated EDAs. This is not a critique, but a call to think about that a bit. In China, you can spin-up a microelectronics startup in under $1m, in USA,…
What is PRD? I’m guessing a country acronym?
Re: Google offers free fabbing for 130nm open-source chips
#163I've spent some time in the chip industry. It is awful, backwards, and super far behind. I didn't appreciate the full power of open source until I saw an industry that operates without it. Want a linter for your project? That's going to be $50k. Also, it's an absolutely terrible linter by software standards. In software, linters combine the best ideas from thousands of engineers across dozens of companies building on…
the thing is that i think the open source software is a miracle that it even exists, and i don't find it strange that nowhere else has replicated the success. Because open source, at heart, is quite altruistic.
Re: Google offers free fabbing for 130nm open-source chips
#164From a hobbyist and preservation perspective, it would be cool if this could be used to produce some form of the Apollo 68080 core to revive the 68k architecture a little bit, and build out the Debian m68k port [0][1]. The last "big" 68k chips were produced in 1995 (that would be a 350nm process?) so this could be hugely improved on 130nm. The 68080 core is currently implemented in FPGAs only and is already the faste…
How fast can those FPGAs be clocked? Is it better to have a free but small run of 68k ASICs which might have similar performance, or the potential to run a soft core on off-the-shelf FPGAs, at much higher cost per unit, but with the ability to rapidly iterate on the design?
Chips that cost $1000 from a distributor cost 1/10th to 1/100th the price when you have a relationship with the manufacturer, mostly because distributors can't sell them very quickly and have to keep a ton of stock to have the SKUs you want.
On a modern FPGA, processor clocks of 200-300 MHz are possible to get with designs that aren't huge.
Re: Google offers free fabbing for 130nm open-source chips
#165I've spent some time in the chip industry. It is awful, backwards, and super far behind. I didn't appreciate the full power of open source until I saw an industry that operates without it. Want a linter for your project? That's going to be $50k. Also, it's an absolutely terrible linter by software standards. In software, linters combine the best ideas from thousands of engineers across dozens of companies building on…
> Want a linter for your project? That's going to be $50k. the thing is that i think the open source software is a miracle that it even exists, and i don't find it strange that nowhere else has replicated the success. Because open source, at heart, is quite altruistic.
Re: Google offers free fabbing for 130nm open-source chips
#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not only is the software expensive it's often crap. By which I don't mean, oh no it doesn't look nice - crap as in productivity-harming. For example, Altium Designer is probably the most modern (not most powerful although close) PCB suite and yet despite costing thousands a seat it is a slow, clunky, single-threaded (in 2020) program (somehow uses 20% of a 7700k at 4.6GHz with an empty design). Discord also thinks th…
KiCad nightly can now import Altium Design files, might want to give it a try ;) https://kicad-pcb.org/blog/2020/04/Development-Highlight-Alt...
Re: Google offers free fabbing for 130nm open-source chips
#167Re: Google offers free fabbing for 130nm open-source chips
#168Are older processes more automated?
Can the 130nm production line, produce many different designs without any manual intervention?
Re: Google offers free fabbing for 130nm open-source chips
#169My understanding of ASIC production, is that new circuit designs are capital intensive, they require masks to be produced and machines to be configured for the given pattern. Are older processes more automated? Can the 130nm production line, produce many different designs without any manual intervention?
The process design kit (or PDK) mentioned in the article takes care of "configuring the machiines". The PDK provides describes how to construct low-level primitives (the instruction set, if you will) for the specific fab. Designers then layer on their logic circuits using those primitives.
Re: Google offers free fabbing for 130nm open-source chips
#170I've spent some time in the chip industry. It is awful, backwards, and super far behind. I didn't appreciate the full power of open source until I saw an industry that operates without it. Want a linter for your project? That's going to be $50k. Also, it's an absolutely terrible linter by software standards. In software, linters combine the best ideas from thousands of engineers across dozens of companies building on…