MS will ban Forza players who add the confederate flag to their digital cars

Post by beaner » Sun, Jul 05, 2020, 7:46 AM UTC

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One reason is that people might feel closer to something that they think superficially resembles themselves. This is part of the reason why diversity is important, according to so many people right now. Not just because groups have more perspectives, but because the people in the minority feel more comfortable when the minority is not so small. I remember some years ago about a situation regarding a movie. I forget t…

> One reason is that people might feel closer to something that they think superficially resembles themselves. I agree! And then they proceeded to spread that image throughout the world (commonly via imperial colonialism) as "god looks like me, not you". That closely aligns with the concept of systemic racism. > Plus it seems strange to me that ...the most offensive or historically inaccurate thing is... "Most" is a…

Post by spacechild1 » Sun, Jul 05, 2020, 2:36 PM UTC

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I honestly don't know what the 'ok symbol' is in relation to racism/whatever. In my country I don't think it is a thing and I stopped following silly things on the internet. BUT even if it is a racist symbol/white supremacy/whatever, your wife is still in the wrong. (I am assuming the symbol is not illegal) Your wife punished a kid for making a symbol she disagrees with, heck, you could even say by making a political…

In the US, showing the ok symbol, usually upside down, is a kid's game. If an American child shows that to you below their waist, and you witness it, then they have 'earned' the right to punch your shoulder. That kid probably punched his whole class.

Post by thomaslord » Sun, Jul 05, 2020, 7:47 PM UTC

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Note that all symbols are their meaning are made up. To say "this gesture is a symbol of X" is to say "people made up that this gesture is a symbol of X."

It's a really odd social phenomenon. It's one thing to say "We don't like X and find it in poor taste. Please don't do that" I don't like it when folks say such things, but I understand it. Instead, what many folks seem to be saying is that based on one thing they can tell what the person is like inside . It's an amazingly-broad generalization and people seem to be enormously confident of themselves when they make it…

Post by greenie_beans » Mon, Jul 06, 2020, 4:31 PM UTC

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The system is working exactly as intended, that’s why we have systemic racism. If you look at the history of Reconstruction in the South and how it ended and gave rise to Jim Crow rule, you’ll see that we are very much an intentional system of white supremacy.

I think it's fair to say that the public opinion has shifted significantly from that point, and if democracy was working in its most ideal form, it should be protecting the rights of black people. But the point is that even with the best of intentions, supposed "solutions" to any sort of problem won't always be effective and could end up making the situation worse if people don't think through. Racism matters, but ho…

Post by triceratops » Tue, Jul 07, 2020, 12:21 AM UTC

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Why not adopt a new symbol of Southern pride? Something with pickup trucks and horses, steers and cowboy hats, peaches and iced tea, guns and saxophones. You know, all the beloved and positive aspects of Southern culture and heritage. It seems very un-American to me to use the flag of a treasonous rebel army that attacked their fellow countrymen.

Ten bucks says whatever new symbol gets used will be (considered?) a de facto racist symbol within a couple years.