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China suppression of Uighurs meets U.N. definition of genocide, report says

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Re: China suppression of Uighurs meets U.N. definition of genocide, report says

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Post by Semaphor »

infinity0 wrote: post #76
steffandroid wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation counts all COVID-19 deaths worldwide as victims of communism, in case anyone was wondering how credible this organisation is.

Source?

https://www.victimsofcommunism.org/voc-news/2020/4/5/blame-t...

It’s a hilarious read:

> If Beijing had given the real number of infected people and deaths, other countries would have recognized the danger, and taken necessary steps.

No matter what transpired, eventually there was a warning, and most countries still took no steps until they had high numbers themselves. Hell, Italy could have been the warning and it would have helped.

Re: China suppression of Uighurs meets U.N. definition of genocide, report says

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Post by chvid »

infinity0 wrote: post #76
steffandroid wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation counts all COVID-19 deaths worldwide as victims of communism, in case anyone was wondering how credible this organisation is.

Source?

It is on wikipedia ...

Re: China suppression of Uighurs meets U.N. definition of genocide, report says

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Post by goatinaboat »

ReptileMan wrote: post #20

A lot of international politics/treaties enforcement boils down to - are you willing to bleed and die for that cause. Unless we are willing to go to war - there are no viable ways to prevent China from doing whatever they feel like in the territory they control. Even the tiny Iran and Cuba survived decades of sanctions.

Unless we are willing to go to war - there are no viable ways to prevent China from doing whatever they feel like in the territory they control. Even the tiny Iran and Cuba survived decades of sanctions

There is one recent-ish historical exception: the SA Apartheid regime was brought down by the West without any land invasion.

But invasion is no guarantee either; the Indian caste system, which makes apartheid look like Sunday school, survived the British occupation.

Re: China suppression of Uighurs meets U.N. definition of genocide, report says

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Post by belltaco »

iamstupidsimple wrote: post #56
Analemma_ wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You think Trump or his base is concerned about genocide of Muslims? That’s giving them an awful lot of credit.

I definitely do. At least Trump and his supporters have the had guts to stand up to China. Nobody else seems to be doing this.

You mean by repeatedly praising Xi?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-trump-china/trump-praises...

Or by getting the US out of the TPP, which was meant to reduce China's influence on that part of the world?

Or by asking him to help him get re-elected?

Re: China suppression of Uighurs meets U.N. definition of genocide, report says

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Post by monocasa »

infinity0 wrote: post #76
steffandroid wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation counts all COVID-19 deaths worldwide as victims of communism, in case anyone was wondering how credible this organisation is.

Source?

https://www.victimsofcommunism.org/voc-news/2020/2/18/rising...

Re: China suppression of Uighurs meets U.N. definition of genocide, report says

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Post by apta »

Another holocaust is being committed right in front of everyone. What will the world do now? Sit back and keep taking advantage of the benefits of cheap Chinese labour? Isn't it time to wake up and cut this barbaric behavior if we're going to claim we moved past what happened in WWII?

Re: China suppression of Uighurs meets U.N. definition of genocide, report says

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Post by magicsmoke »

zadler wrote: post #57
ironman1478 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I've gotten older, I've come to really feel like humans just haven't been around that long and we really haven't progressed that much outside of technology. WW2 wasn't really that long ago and neither was the the American civil war, both wars based on race and atrocities. I think it's a bit of a fallacy to think that just because some country is technology and economically advanced it will have correct moral value…

> we really haven't progressed that much outside of technology This would imply that the measure of progression / advancement is civility, and that we are going to progress and become more civil given more time. That seems to be a fallacy also, it may be that evolution does not optimise for civility at all, after all being civil is not going to help you to crush your enemies or attract a mate in this environment.

Evolution might promote civility in a similar way to peacock feathers through sexual selection. Civility implies that you have enough wealth and power to spare on luxuries even in a world of brutal competition. This allows you to attract more mates/immigrants which ultimately offsets the additional cost.

Re: China suppression of Uighurs meets U.N. definition of genocide, report says

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Post by goatinaboat »

balola wrote: post #37
oefrha wrote: post #8

It’s not like China didn’t have mandatory birth control on the ethnic majority.

The difference is now the population growth is collapsing, even after they loosened the limit to 2 kids per family, China desperately needs more babies.

China desperately needs more babies.

China desperately needs more female babies to be precise. The one-child policy coupled with certain cultural quirks resulted in 50-60M "excess" men, who will never find a partner, and unhealthy competition for the rest.

Re: China suppression of Uighurs meets U.N. definition of genocide, report says

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Post by johnchristopher »

TriNetra wrote: post #72
AHappyCamper wrote: post #23

I understand that China is extremely powerful both militarily and economically, but it just makes me so sad that such atrocities against humanity are occurring at the hands of a superpower, deep into the 21st century. Forgive my naiveté, but aren't we supposed to be past this type of thing as a species already? Wasn't that the whole point of the 20th century - to show us all the things we shouldn't be doing?

Just for a moment reflect on this fact: for almost all human beings on this planet, the goal of life continues to revolve around gaining wealth, recognition and power. By the time one realizes the worthlessness of these goals, it's time for him to leave. But as long as these remain the primary goals of our lives, we can't truly be compassionate toward the needs/plight of others and at every opportune moment, we'll tr…

> "for almost all human beings on this planet, the goal of life continues to revolve around gaining wealth, recognition and power."

The opposite could be true as well: the goal of a minority is to gain wealth, recognition and power and in doing so they hurt everyone else around them.

Re: China suppression of Uighurs meets U.N. definition of genocide, report says

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Post by zackees »

AHappyCamper wrote: post #23

I understand that China is extremely powerful both militarily and economically, but it just makes me so sad that such atrocities against humanity are occurring at the hands of a superpower, deep into the 21st century. Forgive my naiveté, but aren't we supposed to be past this type of thing as a species already? Wasn't that the whole point of the 20th century - to show us all the things we shouldn't be doing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_Convention

From the Wiki article, the UN definition of Genocide is met if...

...any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. — Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Article 2[5]

I'm not a fan of China, but the UN bar for genocide is so low that it's essentially meaningless.

The word itself means gene-killing.

Whether china is actually trying to wipe out or is being oppressive isn't clear when the UN definition is used.

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