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China suppression of Uighurs meets U.N. definition of genocide, report says

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Re: China suppression of Uighurs meets U.N. definition of genocide, report says

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post #8

It’s not like China didn’t have mandatory birth control on the ethnic majority.

Does China really treat ethnic majority and Uyghurs equally?

> Even while the use of IUDs and sterilization has fallen nationwide, it is rising sharply in Xinjiang

> The population control measures are backed by mass detention both as a threat and as a punishment for failure to comply

> But while equal on paper, in practice Han Chinese are largely spared the abortions, sterilizations, IUD insertions and detentions for having too many children that are forced on Xinjiang’s other ethnicities, interviews and data show. Some rural Muslims, like Omirzakh, are punished even for having the three children allowed by the law

> Leaked data obtained and corroborated by the AP showed that of 484 camp detainees listed in Karakax county in Xinjiang, 149 were there for having too many children - the most common reason for holding them. Time in a camp — what the government calls “education and training” — for parents with too many children is written policy in at least three counties, notices found by Zenz confirmed

> While fines also apply to Han Chinese, only minorities are sent to the detention camps if they cannot pay, according to interviews and data

> Seven former detainees told the AP that they were force-fed birth control pills or injected with fluids, often with no explanation. Many felt dizzy, tired or ill, and women stopped getting their periods. After being released and leaving China, some went to get medical check-ups and found they were sterile

https://apnews.com/269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c

Re: China suppression of Uighurs meets U.N. definition of genocide, report says

#32
If you dare point out that every contentious thread about China is brigaded by obvious professional Chinese propagandists, then dang (who is utterly determined to keep his head in the sand on this issue) will ban you.

Stick a fork in hacker news. Its abject naevity about popular anonymous message boards has killed it.

Re: China suppression of Uighurs meets U.N. definition of genocide, report says

#33

Whataboutism seems to be the key feature linking many posts here. It's not a convincing argument

Is it just me or does this happen for every article about anything China-related?

I’ve noticed it to be the primary defense mechanism of China sympathizers. Funnily enough USSR used similar arguments

Re: China suppression of Uighurs meets U.N. definition of genocide, report says

#35
post #21
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lets talk about china right now.

I don’t have any direct political ability to meaningfully influence policy in China. I, in theory, can participate in US elections and purportedly have some say in how things are done in the US. Additionally, I don’t have a language barrier to inciting others to action in the US. I think it’s a very hypocritical situation, and I wonder specifically about the who and the why for the huge anti-China campaign in the glo…

If we know what the Chinese government is doing to ethnic minorities does the motive behind the media covering it even matter? So long as the atrocities stop I don’t think I really care who benefits from having a public discussion or how.

Re: China suppression of Uighurs meets U.N. definition of genocide, report says

#36
post #30

I understand that China is extremely powerful both militarily and economically, but it just makes me so sad that such atrocities against humanity are occurring at the hands of a superpower, deep into the 21st century. Forgive my naiveté, but aren't we supposed to be past this type of thing as a species already? Wasn't that the whole point of the 20th century - to show us all the things we shouldn't be doing?

Surprised trump doesn’t use this to place sanctions on China and up his base’s support.

You think Trump or his base is concerned about genocide of Muslims? That’s giving them an awful lot of credit.

Re: China suppression of Uighurs meets U.N. definition of genocide, report says

#37
post #8

It’s not like China didn’t have mandatory birth control on the ethnic majority.

The difference is now the population growth is collapsing, even after they loosened the limit to 2 kids per family, China desperately needs more babies.

Re: China suppression of Uighurs meets U.N. definition of genocide, report says

#38
post #30

I understand that China is extremely powerful both militarily and economically, but it just makes me so sad that such atrocities against humanity are occurring at the hands of a superpower, deep into the 21st century. Forgive my naiveté, but aren't we supposed to be past this type of thing as a species already? Wasn't that the whole point of the 20th century - to show us all the things we shouldn't be doing?

Surprised trump doesn’t use this to place sanctions on China and up his base’s support.

Depending on how he played it, he might get support from everybody. Stopping genocide is pretty hot right now, as is sticking it to China.

But he's not a very subtle chap. I doubt he could restrain himself to stick to a line.

Re: China suppression of Uighurs meets U.N. definition of genocide, report says

#39
post #26

A lot of international politics/treaties enforcement boils down to - are you willing to bleed and die for that cause. Unless we are willing to go to war - there are no viable ways to prevent China from doing whatever they feel like in the territory they control. Even the tiny Iran and Cuba survived decades of sanctions.

> Unless we are willing to go to war - there are no viable ways to prevent China from doing whatever they feel like in the territory they control. This just seems false. There are no ways to guarantee that they won't do something, but China, like everyone else, is vulnerable to international pressure. An optimistic historic parallel to which one could look is the Helsinki Accords, where diplomatic measures far short…

It seems but it is not. China is ascending power whereas USSR was in the first stages of decay. The only game the big boys play is Realpolitik.

And they were not binding anyway. And I can assure you that USSR and the eastern bloc didn't comply at all.

Re: China suppression of Uighurs meets U.N. definition of genocide, report says

#40

Whataboutism seems to be the key feature linking many posts here. It's not a convincing argument

Is it just me or does this happen for every article about anything China-related?

Sssh, you're getting close to noticing that HN, a popular anonymous message board, has become the clear target of professional propagandists. You'll get banned for that. The mods are determined to never see this particular elephant in the room.
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