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China suppression of Uighurs meets U.N. definition of genocide, report says

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Re: China suppression of Uighurs meets U.N. definition of genocide, report says

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Post by sneak »

chapium wrote: post #10
sneak wrote: post #4

Per capita, the US imprisons approximately 20x more of its own ethnic minorities in a similar fashion. The numbers are so huge in China because the total population is so much larger. I think both desperately need to be addressed. It is painful for me to think that in all three of the richest, most populous, and largest countries on Earth, approximately zero of them have a full complement of human rights for all thei…

Lets talk about china right now.

I don’t have any direct political ability to meaningfully influence policy in China.

I, in theory, can participate in US elections and purportedly have some say in how things are done in the US. Additionally, I don’t have a language barrier to inciting others to action in the US.

I think it’s a very hypocritical situation, and I wonder specifically about the who and the why for the huge anti-China campaign in the global west.

I also think scale is important. Human rights violations against one person are bad. A system that imposed them against millions is worse. Both the US and China have such systems.

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Post by prrls »

dis-sys wrote: post #12

Seriously, suppression of birth? According the exact same logic used by this ZENZ guy, China's majority group (Han) has been subjected to such "genocide" for decades. As a result of such "suppression", only 400 million Han Chinese were born in the last 30 years rather than the estimated 800+ million.

I may be mistaken but Han Chinese weren't forced to undergo sterilization. If you had a second child, you were fined and your child wouldn't be recognized as a Chinese citizen. Still horrible though.

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Post by AHappyCamper »

I understand that China is extremely powerful both militarily and economically, but it just makes me so sad that such atrocities against humanity are occurring at the hands of a superpower, deep into the 21st century.

Forgive my naiveté, but aren't we supposed to be past this type of thing as a species already? Wasn't that the whole point of the 20th century - to show us all the things we shouldn't be doing?

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Post by yorwba »

prrls wrote: post #22
dis-sys wrote: post #12

Seriously, suppression of birth? According the exact same logic used by this ZENZ guy, China's majority group (Han) has been subjected to such "genocide" for decades. As a result of such "suppression", only 400 million Han Chinese were born in the last 30 years rather than the estimated 800+ million.

I may be mistaken but Han Chinese weren't forced to undergo sterilization. If you had a second child, you were fined and your child wouldn't be recognized as a Chinese citizen. Still horrible though.

Sterilization was standard procedure for Han Chinese women for decades: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/07/world/asia/after-one-chil...

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Post by bigpumpkin »

prrls wrote: post #22
dis-sys wrote: post #12

Seriously, suppression of birth? According the exact same logic used by this ZENZ guy, China's majority group (Han) has been subjected to such "genocide" for decades. As a result of such "suppression", only 400 million Han Chinese were born in the last 30 years rather than the estimated 800+ million.

I may be mistaken but Han Chinese weren't forced to undergo sterilization. If you had a second child, you were fined and your child wouldn't be recognized as a Chinese citizen. Still horrible though.

"I may be mistaken but Han Chinese weren't imposed forced sterilization. "

Sadly, you are mistaken. A simple google search will show you.

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Post by JadeNB »

ReptileMan wrote: post #20

A lot of international politics/treaties enforcement boils down to - are you willing to bleed and die for that cause. Unless we are willing to go to war - there are no viable ways to prevent China from doing whatever they feel like in the territory they control. Even the tiny Iran and Cuba survived decades of sanctions.

> Unless we are willing to go to war - there are no viable ways to prevent China from doing whatever they feel like in the territory they control.

This just seems false. There are no ways to guarantee that they won't do something, but China, like everyone else, is vulnerable to international pressure. An optimistic historic parallel to which one could look is the Helsinki Accords, where diplomatic measures far short of war wrung what turned out to be dramatic human-rights concessions from the Soviets.

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Post by ReptileMan »

wcerfgba wrote: post #3

For UK citizens, there is an open petition to Parliament asking the UK Government to impose sanctions on China as a response: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300146

UK cannot simultaneously piss off Brussels and Beijing. Not going to happen. And UK is 1/6th of China economy.

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Post by llboston »

prrls wrote: post #22
dis-sys wrote: post #12

Seriously, suppression of birth? According the exact same logic used by this ZENZ guy, China's majority group (Han) has been subjected to such "genocide" for decades. As a result of such "suppression", only 400 million Han Chinese were born in the last 30 years rather than the estimated 800+ million.

I may be mistaken but Han Chinese weren't forced to undergo sterilization. If you had a second child, you were fined and your child wouldn't be recognized as a Chinese citizen. Still horrible though.

That's actually not true. The Han Chinese are imposed forced sterilization. Even worse, pregnant Han women who violate the policy have been taken from home to do forced abortion. I hate this policy as much as anybody, but I won't call it genocide.

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Post by toiletfuneral »

codekansas wrote: post #13
sadmann1 wrote: post #11

Whataboutism seems to be the key feature linking many posts here. It's not a convincing argument

Is it just me or does this happen for every article about anything China-related?

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Re: China suppression of Uighurs meets U.N. definition of genocide, report says

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Post by baskire »

AHappyCamper wrote: post #23

I understand that China is extremely powerful both militarily and economically, but it just makes me so sad that such atrocities against humanity are occurring at the hands of a superpower, deep into the 21st century. Forgive my naiveté, but aren't we supposed to be past this type of thing as a species already? Wasn't that the whole point of the 20th century - to show us all the things we shouldn't be doing?

Surprised trump doesn’t use this to place sanctions on China and up his base’s support.
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