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Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities was met with skepticism

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Re: Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities was met with skepticism

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Agricultural Capitalism is listed as starting in 1350 by Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_capitalism But, it’s hard to pin down a date because individual ownership of the means of production is arguably the default state.

>individual ownership of the means of production is arguably the default state. // Could you flesh out that argument because I'd imagine that co-operative ownership was essential to the rise of civilisation.

In very early stages, yes. Until humans figured out that ownership can be concentrated by using violence.

Re: Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities was met with skepticism

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There was a recent case of a Karen receiving mob justice to the point people began harassing the law firm her husband runs (granted she also works there), affecting their livelihood. We don’t want to get to a point in society where your character flaws destroy your life. Just the other day, an out of context video embarrassed a supposed Karen on the front page of Reddit. We later learned the situation was more comple…

"There was a recent case of a Karen receiving mob justice to the point people began harassing the law firm her husband runs (granted she also works there), affecting their livelihood. We don’t want to get to a point in society where your character flaws destroy your life." To be clear, this was after it was filmed that the couple was pointing guns at peaceful protestors who were protesting on the street. The woman in…

I should have linked the event I was talking about, you are thinking about a different event:

https://nypost.com/2020/06/09/tamara-harrians-husband-blames...

What she did was indefensible, but her husband and his business is also having to reconcile this.

I believe Al Franken took a juvenile photo of a reporter friend. I don’t think he was a senator at the time, I could be wrong.

I think we will enter ‘full blinders on’ mode if we accept that the axe being wielded is not a catch all. We have to accept that the axe came out of desperation, but we need to find the solution where the axe is no longer necessary.

If there’s anything to debate, it’s only how long the guillotine should be necessary. Certainly we can’t have the guillotine forever. The guillotine was used to make it pretty freaking clear things have changed, and don’t even try to think things will go backward. I understand and accept it as a necessary strategy.

You still have to create the post-guillotine society.

In poetic terms, Robespierre was given the guillotine he created. Things go too far, often.

Re: Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities was met with skepticism

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Except that the Israeli “settlements” are on previously annexed land from 1967. It is more like an eminent domain seizure. And it is quite reasonable in theory to exercise sovereign power for such purposes to improve the land’s cultivation, so long as compensation is awarded (not sure if Israel gives it to the Palestinians)

I was under the impression that it's illegal to settle on occupied land and what Israel is doing is hence illegal under international law. Am I somehow misinformed?

Are laws of men corruptible? Do you appeal to international law as the highest? Or do you submit to a higher perception?

I ask because your entire judgment is not based on anything consistent with civilization’s record with property claims and is really a 20th century phenomenon.

Re: Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities was met with skepticism

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Your lead paragraph omits anything about why they are included. Anytime there's a moral shift (good or bad), there's an opportunity to co-opt it in order to remove rivals, and it works very nicely because all you need to do is sow seeds of doubt about someone if they happen to be in a vulnerable group, and then let the mob do the rest That doesn't much address the dynamics of #metoo or Black Lives Matter.

What I mean by "moral shift" is a rapid change (as in over the course of months rather than decades) in what society considers morally correct and acceptable. The dynamics of #metoo and BLM are different in that they are addressing longstanding attitudes and behaviors contributing to oppression or harassment of a minority group (I use the term "minority" very liberally considering that women make up 50% of the popula…

Again, the "poster" incidents complained about under BLM and #metoo were already illegal, at least per the written law, which is why e.g. Bill Cosby went to prison. It was never legal for him to sexually assault his victims. It was just "de facto" legal because of the difficulty in prosecuting.

Re: Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities was met with skepticism

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"There was a recent case of a Karen receiving mob justice to the point people began harassing the law firm her husband runs (granted she also works there), affecting their livelihood. We don’t want to get to a point in society where your character flaws destroy your life." To be clear, this was after it was filmed that the couple was pointing guns at peaceful protestors who were protesting on the street. The woman in…

I should have linked the event I was talking about, you are thinking about a different event: https://nypost.com/2020/06/09/tamara-harrians-husband-blames... What she did was indefensible, but her husband and his business is also having to reconcile this. I believe Al Franken took a juvenile photo of a reporter friend. I don’t think he was a senator at the time, I could be wrong. I think we will enter ‘full blinders…

Again, if the regular legal system would get in gear and e.g. prosecute the police who killed Breonna Taylor, or routinely take sexual assault allegations seriously, we wouldn't be needing any of this.

The dysfunctionality of regular politics creates its own escalation. People are used to being given a sticky door, or a button that doesn't work. They're used to shoulder-charging the door of power being completely ineffective. So when it actually gives way it's a surprise to everyone.

Re: Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities was met with skepticism

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Witch trials were virtually non existent in post-reformation Catholic countries (e.h. Spain, Italy and France). I have never seen any source indicating that women were more free in these countries.

You might not expect them, but the Spanish Inquisition did also have witch trials https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition#Witchcraft... . And if you see witch trails as a way to get ride of and blame someone you could label as "different" then the difference become even smaller.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alonso_de_Salazar_y_Fr%C3%ADas

Re: Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities was met with skepticism

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This is more or less how the Israeli "settlements" work; land is taken for "security" reasons and given to someone else. The Russian privatization post Communism also handed a large amount of state resources to the well connected, who are now in many ways more entrenched than they were under Communism.

Except that the Israeli “settlements” are on previously annexed land from 1967. It is more like an eminent domain seizure. And it is quite reasonable in theory to exercise sovereign power for such purposes to improve the land’s cultivation, so long as compensation is awarded (not sure if Israel gives it to the Palestinians)

Of course there isn't any compensation. The owners are simply run off at gunpoint.

Re: Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities was met with skepticism

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Except that the Israeli “settlements” are on previously annexed land from 1967. It is more like an eminent domain seizure. And it is quite reasonable in theory to exercise sovereign power for such purposes to improve the land’s cultivation, so long as compensation is awarded (not sure if Israel gives it to the Palestinians)

Of course there isn't any compensation. The owners are simply run off at gunpoint.

Source

Re: Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities was met with skepticism

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I'm struck by how the description of witch conventions matches the description of "elite pedovores" that the Qanon conspiracy people promote: "horrific assemblies where witches gathered and worshiped demons, had orgies, ate murdered babies and performed other abominable acts" The Qanon people are laughably inept, gullible and the thought leaders are probably grifters, but still, remarkable convergence between the wit…

> I'm struck by how the description of witch conventions matches the description of "elite pedovores" that the Qanon conspiracy people promote: Both the medieval fear of witches and the modern fear of "Hollywood elites" have their roots in anti-semitism. There's a reason witches were often portrayed with giant hook noses, after all. Judaism has often been negatively correlated with occult elitism, academia (see the a…

By calling people suspicious of powerful individuals anti-semitic you are protecting those powerful individuals in a shroud of identity politics despite evidence and survivor testimony - while simultaneously lowering the reputation of an entire religion. Also the Hillary Clinton conspiracy theory [0][1] is not a modern retelling - she's not even Jewish. I'm not sure what your point is...

[0]: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/15893 [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EsJLNGVJ7E

Re: Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities was met with skepticism

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I believe that they exist today. They leverage their power and connections to remain anonymous and away from public scrutiny.

The Cargill/McMillan family is probably the most famous of these in the US. They’ve kept their company private and have managed to stay under the radar fairly well considering their level of wealth.

The Sacklers were able to keep their business relatively disconnected from polite society for a long time as well.
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