Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities was met with skepticism
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Re: Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities was met with skepticism
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
The rich are different: https://www.amazon.com/Rich-Are-Different-Priceless-Quotatio...
I read the premise of that book and it doesn't square with what I know about rich people from personal experiences with them. What I've learned is that money is a multiplier for personality and if you have a humble personality, then you'll stay humble while you're rich (with some caveats about people that are not truly humble).
The emphasis is on the extreme, privileged and over-the-top attitudes stereotypically encountered.
Fortunately, exclusive communities with these stereotypical aspirations are not as overwhelming as they could be.
It's a small book, largely true quotations, and I think worth reading as an entertaining way to refresh awareness of peculiarities that can arise as riches are struck or wealth is created or increased.
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#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
Only prohibition, the war on drugs, #metoo, and BLM had noble goals. The rest were "the enemy is among us" fear based. I suspect that the fallout from virtue signaling and bad actors taking advantage of #metoo and BLM probably won't be too bad; certainly not on the same level as the rest.
>Only prohibition, the war on drugs, #metoo, and BLM had noble goals. That distinction is entirely in the eye of the beholder. Some say McCarthy was vindicated with the release of the Venona papers and the declassification of documents from the Soviet Archives. Many of the accused were in fact spies for the Soviet. Also the stolen secrets for making the Atomic bomb almost brought the world to an end. >I suspect that…
Re: Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities was met with skepticism
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
maybe not witchcraft accusations per se, but im quite unsure how you can be aware of events occuring in the world right now and think that exploiting the current socioeconomic order to gain land and wealth is not done.
Right it wouldn’t be a witch craft accusation , in the west Its one example
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#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
Agricultural Capitalism is listed as starting in 1350 by Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_capitalism But, it’s hard to pin down a date because individual ownership of the means of production is arguably the default state.
>individual ownership of the means of production is arguably the default state. // Could you flesh out that argument because I'd imagine that co-operative ownership was essential to the rise of civilisation.
Re: Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities was met with skepticism
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is evidence based, given the suppression of known information by china, and therefore reasonable. China screwing up was really not a big point here but in trying to cover for them you're just going to provoke people into posting more about china's screwup and attract more attention to it, sort of streisand effect.
I'm not really trying to cover for them. I'm pointing out that it wouldn't have changed anything. I remember very well how it was like back in January. People had so little trust in China (and frankly a lot of it was racism) that they saw Wuhan, a city the size of NYC, being locked down, and that was really bad for us. As far as people being aware of the screw-up, as far as I'm concerned that's a good thing. What's i…
> that it wouldn't have changed anything
Perhaps. Justify that. I might even agree, but still, justify that.
> and frankly a lot of it was racism
It is not. Anti-chinese-government attitude is not related to anti-chinese-people racism. You're trying to comflate the two so you can dismiss it as just racism. It isn't.
> The popular narrative right now is that if China didn't fuck up we wouldn't be in the mess we are right now,
We'd possibly be in a similar mess from the stupidity in various western governments, inc. mine in the UK. See my past posts where I make this ever so plain, indeed using phrases like 'we fucked up'.
But that does not let the chinese gov't off the hook WRT their fuckups and armtwisting the WHO and general appalling behaviour. This does not let them off the hook in the same way it does not let eg. boris johnson off the hook, or trump, or bolsonaro.
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Could you give an example of that level of comfort? Servants were more common back then, but not sure what else.
For example, the family that was able to exploit the socioeconomic order to pick up those land plots from people indicted for witchcraft probably still owns those land plots, but new people will not be able to use the same tactic to obtain land now.
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#128Don't want to be political on HN but I see lot of parallels between now and then. A plague effected region, ruled by conservative parties, opposing science and logic in the name of religion or freedom. persecution of people who either look or do something different from their own. Printing press helped in spreading both lies and truth. Now a days, mainstream media and social media is being used to spread all kinds of…
Witch hunts have never actually gone away they just changed form.
But a little superstition can be fun, after all my own grandmother was a fortune teller herself.
>As a historian who studies medieval magic, I’m fascinated by how a coterie of church and state authorities conspired to develop and promote this new concept of witchcraft for their own purposes.
The rest of us should pay more attention to other ways the church and state authorities still develop and promote other unsuitable concepts to the disadvantage of their subjects.
Authoritarianism can put a disadvantageous twist on just about anything it comes into contact with.
Blindly following authority for conformity's sake tends to perpetuate and amplify an authority's residual unresolved stupidity, which we all have at least a bit of even when it started out to be just a little fun or tradition in some way.
It's difficult enough to pass worthwhile findings of the millennia from one generation to the next, and one reason things should be continuously questioned is to focus on the difference between unsubstantiated superstition and merely outdated or historical concepts as the bulk of mankind's knowledge is stewarded into the future.
There's a lot of needles in that haystack.
The university is supposed to be the meeting place between the bulk of the traditional knowledge being passed on, and many new findings being validated and developed.
Other institutions do this too, sometimes on a larger scale with narrower focus. Some of these are more academically oriented and intersect with academia more than others.
Traditional knowledge should be (re)validated as you go along too.
It takes a lot of questioning to accurately identify the stupid stuff that should no longer be passed on as acceptable.
During those times when questioning is supressed, or development laboratories not available, it would seem the most risky for human progress to be stalled or reversed.
Some people are anti-progress anyway, for both real and superstitious reasons.
In the painting of the 14th Century lecture hall at the University of Bologna, this does not look like the kind of environment where questions over unvalidatable teachings could be enthusiastically entertained.
Likely somewhat familiar with those who attend university far from Italy half a millennium later.
But at this time isn't this virtually indistinguishable from a religious teaching session where the intention was mastery of texts and concepts intended to never be questioned except under severe penalty?
Today's institutions, universities, and corporations are often still striving to be as legendary in the same traditional way, when they focus on eminence & authoritarianism over skepticism, with each elevation moving an individual one step further beyond doubts which could challenge the eminence hierarchy.
These are the ones more subject to actions or inactions based on unfounded superstition to some extent, and can not be easily corrected from one generation to the next.
And one of the reasons people still say you can't fix stupid.
If you don't constantly scrutinize authorities for harmful superstitions, you could eventually end up with a real witch hunt where some kind of heads do roll in some way.
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#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
For example, the family that was able to exploit the socioeconomic order to pick up those land plots from people indicted for witchcraft probably still owns those land plots, but new people will not be able to use the same tactic to obtain land now.
This is more or less how the Israeli "settlements" work; land is taken for "security" reasons and given to someone else. The Russian privatization post Communism also handed a large amount of state resources to the well connected, who are now in many ways more entrenched than they were under Communism.
Re: Invention of satanic witchcraft by medieval authorities was met with skepticism
#130There's a stereotype that witch hunts were “mass hysteria” (as Wikipedia calls them) affecting stupid backwards people (another common stereotype) or stupid believers (a stereotype with a militant atheism flavour). In these cases, we would see more witch hunts the earlier the age is or the stronger the church is. People weren't much more stupid than people today are. Moreover, it's a fairly recent era, I'd even say t…
I think the "stupid backwards people" refers to the people that went along with it. There might be people guiding others, but if nobody believed that witches exist then this wouldn't work. It's more a case of blind belief in authority figures. For this same reason witch-hunts can easily happen today. The conservative kid that was smeared as a racist while standing around smiling, despite there being no proof, is an e…
I don't think that's right, you have to consider the possibility of widespread preference falsification. Namely people who do not believe in witches but do believe all their neighbors believe in witches.