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Google-backed groups criticize Apple's new warnings on user tracking

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I wish the Safari content blocking API allowed cookies to be blocked. I'd block cookies for 99% of sites I visit, allowing them only for the handful of sites to which I login. I'd suggest Safari could even make cookies require getting user permission, the same way location access needs to be granted. "Allow, allow for 24 hours, deny." It could default deny except for sites to which it has a saved password which could…

It already does that! 1Blocker lets you specify a list of websites for which cookies won't be sent in the request headers. So I suppose the API indeed supports this feature.

Holy crap, you're right:

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/safariservices/cre...

https://kb.adguard.com/en/general/how-to-create-your-own-ad-...

(I switched from 1Blocker to Adguard because 1Blocker wasn't working very well for me.)

Re: Google-backed groups criticize Apple's new warnings on user tracking

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> Sixteen marketing associations, some of which are backed by Facebook Inc (FB.O) and Alphabet Inc’s (GOOGL.O) Google, faulted Apple for not adhering to an ad-industry system for seeking user consent under European privacy rules. How did this turn into "Google-backed groups"?! Where's Facebook in the title? Is there no attempt at unbiased reporting anymore?

Moreover, there's no mention of the names of any organizations, nor could I find the press release that the quotes were taken from.

Re: Google-backed groups criticize Apple's new warnings on user tracking

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There seem to be two conflicting lines of thought about the future of advertising. 1) Companies are learning that non-online advertising is not very worthwhile and so are reducing the resources allocated to, say, network TV ads. This has already happened to a large extent to print and radio advertising. This suggests that the future of online advertising is bright. 2) Companies are learning that online advertising is…

3) Companies are learning that Ads that don't appear to be Ads, which also happen to reinforce customers' existing belief system, is a great way to lower their emotional guard and inject a positive product injection. The future of Native Advertising [1] is bright. So many examples already... [2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_advertising [2] https://old.reddit.com/r/HailCorporate/top/?sort=top&t=year

Add to that all kinds of affiliate marketing being passed off as legitimate recommendations.

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Re: Google-backed groups criticize Apple's new warnings on user tracking

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If you want products where you give the company money and they give you stuff - buy Apple. The "stuff" tends to come with artificial limitations so that in order to use it effectively I have to give Apple even more money.

Which product comes with “artificial limitations” that force you to give Apple more money?

For iPhones, Lightning rather than USB-C, no headphone jacks, and inability to use software outside of the app store. For Macs, lack of post-purchase expandability, and it's getting gradually more difficult to run non-store software.

Yes, you can come up with arguments why these things are actually good for users. But coincidentally the workarounds always end up with more revenue for Apple: AirPods, 30% commission on apps, inflated BTO upgrade prices...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which product comes with “artificial limitations” that force you to give Apple more money?

For iPhones, Lightning rather than USB-C, no headphone jacks, and inability to use software outside of the app store. For Macs, lack of post-purchase expandability, and it's getting gradually more difficult to run non-store software. Yes, you can come up with arguments why these things are actually good for users. But coincidentally the workarounds always end up with more revenue for Apple: AirPods, 30% commission on…

- you can buy extra lightning cables from anywhere at about the same price as usb c cables.

- most modern high end cell phones aren’t coming with headphone jacks anymore. All iPhones come with a headphones

- most high end laptops also don’t have internal expandability anymore.

-you also don’t have to buy AirPods. You can buy any Bluetooth headphones

- Google also charges the same 30% for apps.

- the default is allow signed apps. Not apps from the store.

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> Apple last week disclosed features in its forthcoming operating system for iPhones and iPads that will require apps to show a pop-up screen before they enable a form of tracking commonly needed to show personalized ads. Christ almighty I don't think I can take more pop-ups. They're just cancer. Cookies, newsletters, forced logins, individual folder permissions... how many bullshit popups do I have to deal with per…

Unfortunately the ubiquitous cookie consent warnings reek of design-by-government-committe suffers greatly for it. In theory, what could possibly be wrong with explicitly warning users that they're being tracked with a hidden piece of data stored on their machines? However, in practice this has just led to a proliferation of popups on every website on earth. I'd bet that pretty much everyone just annoyingly clicks th…

I’m not sure where you’re from, but as an American who thought it was bad, I couldn’t believe how much worse it was browsing from the .eu.

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This ends when the origin site starts proxying requests to the ad aggregators via the site-native domain.

Doesn’t work for the web because without the 3rd party domain there’s no access to 3rd party cookies so the tracker can’t identify you that way.

First party cookie storage of identifier provided by ad network; Tracking of individuals via various fingerprinting techniques, IP address, screen size, CSS, UserAgent etc.

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> Sixteen marketing associations, some of which are backed by Facebook Inc (FB.O) and Alphabet Inc’s (GOOGL.O) Google, faulted Apple for not adhering to an ad-industry system for seeking user consent under European privacy rules. Apps will now need to ask for permission twice, increasing the risk users will refuse, the associations argued. I was taken aback when I read that sixteen(!) agencies had banded together, in…

Do you seriously think that all business decisions are based on economic greed? Some people do have values and morality and integrity.

No, the space of business decisions is not reducible to greediness, and "greed" itself is a bit underspecified.

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“Increase the chance of user refusal” - imagine that applied to literally any other context, such as bank accounts, credit cards, buying cars, etc. to see how ridiculous that statement is.

It's actually "risk of user refusal", which sounds even more ridiculous.
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