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Re: California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on Indian employee's caste

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Post by naruvimama »

devdas wrote: post #255
ashtonkem wrote: post #121

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Right, but often groups are extremely hostile to apostates because apostasy represents an existential threat towards the religion itself. This is why many religions require a formal shunning of apostates, if not explicit punishment. Talleyrand famously had a meal of ice wine and cold meat after being excommunicated in 1791 since good Christians were supposed to deny him “fire and water”; a cute anecdote at the time,…

Hinduism has no concept of apostasy. You are free to believe in as many gods as you wish (Atheism is a legitimate school in Hinduism), so changing which god your claim to believe in isn't a big deal. The perceived threat is from the claim that all other gods are false, which is one of the major factors in the anti Muslim/anti Christian sentiments playing out currently in India.

Agree with the larger point being made.

However, the attitude of muslims & Christians towards nonbelievers, idol worship and the historical violence and destruction wrought on them plays a bigger role.

A modern western atheist might carry the same "all gods are false", the vast majority of the Hindus will not have any problem with that.

Re: California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on Indian employee's caste

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Post by naruvimama »

vijaybritto wrote: post #87
blueblisters wrote: post #84

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I am sorry for your experience. Do you mind sharing what part of India you're from? It is really surprising to me that relatively better off Dalits would still find the need to convert to a different religion to avoid discrimination. Even more surprising that this is happening at a wider scale. I respect your personal choice, of course, but curious why people choose to convert to a different religion instead of just…

People simply need a way to be looked at as equals under God. They convert to christianity for this main reason. But the Brahmins will claim that they converted for 'rice bags'. Its still a widely used slur in India while referring to converted christians. A better off dalit is still a dalit. Thats the point. The society will discriminate against you in all ways possible. Right from job applications to finding a part…

The term "rice bags" is not from India but from the west where poor natives who are easily converted with small incentives are termed "rice bowl/bag" christians, meaning they are not true christians.

There used to be some kind of exclusivity in being a christian in India. This might no longer true.

I am from Chennai where Christianity has spread rapidly in recent years, a christian doctor who died of covid had to be cremated in a Hindu cemetery because of conflicts between the different christian denominations.

This has been the case in the North-east of India for several years now, since they are more than 80% christian.

Re: California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on Indian employee's caste

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Post by ak39 »

unmole wrote: post #587
ak39 wrote: post #515

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The use of the word "Backward" is racist and derogatory.

It's the official terminology: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other_Backward_Class It's not considered derogatory in India.

I know. It perpetuates the racism and derogatory attitudes.

Re: California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on Indian employee's caste

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Post by thewileyone »

This happens around the world. I previously worked closely with teams in India and someone told me that there's secret lineage books that track every born Indian so that higher castes can identify lower castes.

Explained a lot cause many of those promoted, didn't deserve it as much as others, who were probably in lower castes.

Re: California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on Indian employee's caste

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Post by devdas »

ralphc wrote: post #576
devdas wrote: post #571

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They don't need to go to court. https://legaldesk.com/name-change/procedure-for-name-change-... The problem is that you need an entire stack of documentation for different sets of paperwork, and that comes with your old name. The only way to get a change done safely in ways that will not show a name change is by getting the name right at birth.

Would the entire stack be checked for a job in the private sector?

Depends on the job. The good jobs involve background checks, and the entire stack may be checked.

Re: California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on Indian employee's caste

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Post by devdas »

ecmascript wrote: post #601
randomguy2379 wrote: post #318

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An even better approach is to just change your religion. I was born a hindu dalit but I converted and so have many of my friends and family. Religious conversions have become so common in India that states have started to bring out laws to curtail it. Casteism is a construct of Hinduism and other religions don't suffer from it in the same way as Hinduism does. So you can change your religion , your name and claim tha…

That is weird and very foreign to me. Why not become an atheist? Or doesn't that count?

Atheism still lets you be Hindu. Belief in any number of gods is optional, including 0.

Re: California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on Indian employee's caste

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Post by cscurmudgeon »

dang wrote: post #562
cscurmudgeon wrote: post #540

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How about this one? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23697939 Replace Hindus/Muslims and Casteism/Terrorism and would you allow this if someone claims they are Muslim.

I know there are contentious issues in this thread, with people naturally falling on both sides, and I am too ignorant of Indian society to know what all the lines are. But I don't read that comment the same way that you do. To me it's primarily a report of the commenter's experience as a dalit, and a very interesting report actually. I suppose it includes some phrases that, in a different context, would cross the li…

I totally see your point.

> To me it's primarily a report of the commenter's experience as a dalit, and a very interesting report actually.

The generalization without evidence is the problem. We should not give into false generalizations just because they are "interesting." This is the kind of thing over time leads to things like "All Xs are bad."

My point is that generalizations (false, true) of groups tend to incite emotion that end up dragging things down.

Appreciate the response here and your moderation.

Re: California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on Indian employee's caste

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Post by runamok »

gumby wrote: post #486
0x8BADF00D wrote: post #454

You need to put them on notice for not speaking English at an American company. They need to learn this is America. Call them out and escalate up your management chain if they don’t stop. It’s extremely unprofessional and egregious to speak in another language that other people cannot understand in a business context.

“Put them on notice”? “American company”? What century is this? There are innumerable businesses in the USA where groups of people speak different languages together. I routinely speak Spanish with people in stores, car repair places, farms etc and most of them seem to be US citizens simply more comfortable in Spanish than English. Why shouldn’t US citizens use the language they want? (BTW I come from a country where…

Agree who you are responding to is out there but this bit is critical: "unless someone who didn’t speak it was in the room." I was always raised to consider it rude to essentially exclude people from a conversation that way.

Re: California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on Indian employee's caste

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Post by nexus2045 »

ak39 wrote: post #515
mistrial9 wrote: post #501

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Commission_for_Backwa...

The use of the word "Backward" is racist and derogatory.

That's the point of this whole thread.

Re: California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on Indian employee's caste

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Post by known »

Oracle also reported similar incident https://archive.vn/XTZ5f

Caste matters everywhere: schools, jobs or life at large in India https://archive.vn/tj8tI

And Casteism is worse than Racism;

Casteism = Racism + Slavery https://archive.vn/mPsqz

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