MS will ban Forza players who add the confederate flag to their digital cars

Post by cm2187 » Thu, Jul 02, 2020, 5:40 PM UTC

pfraze wrote: post #156

cm2187 wrote: post #121

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I think a photo of the Che is a hate symbol. It is glorifying a psychopath who killed without a second thought for a genocidal ideology. That's my opinion. So do I get to get it removed everywhere because it offends me?

1. Spend time educating people on why Che doesn't deserve to be idolized 2. Garner support for his removal 3. Go to any company using or selling his image and use your support to have it removed You asked how it works, that's how it works

Post by Darmody » Thu, Jul 02, 2020, 5:41 PM UTC

geodel wrote: post #32

katbyte wrote: post #13

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Yes - we have them here in Canada and I’m a huge fan. Say whatever you want but you should be held responsible for you words.

As Idi Amin would have said "I guarantee freedom of speech but not freedom after speech"

Post by tinix » Thu, Jul 02, 2020, 5:43 PM UTC

gentleman11 wrote: post #52

I am not very familiar with the American civil war. The way people talk about it seems weird to me though: it is as though the entire southern United States were overcome by an irresistible race hatred and they started a war in order to ensure their white supremacy- but mostly out of ignorance of the morals of this. I have a hard time believing the entire southern United States was only fighting for the right to own…

Post by monocasa » Thu, Jul 02, 2020, 5:45 PM UTC

gentleman11 wrote: post #136

monocasa wrote: post #100

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It was very much over slavery. The entire economic system of the south depended on chattel slavery, and the south didn't really recover economically for a century. And despite the idea of it being over the abstract idea of "states' rights", the confederate constitution mainly reduced a state's right to make choices for itself. It was pretty much a clone of the US constitution, with a clause that states couldn't ban s…

Why did their economy suffer for a century? You would think the landowning class would lose out badly but that, overall, economic activity would increase. We’re all those farms so badly run that they couldn’t compete once they had to pay wages? Or was money just so concentrated that once slavers lost their slaves, nobody had any money at all?

Post by Hamuko » Thu, Jul 02, 2020, 5:45 PM UTC

hamandcheese wrote: post #129

I’m not convinced that everyone who displays a Confederate flag is doing so out of hate (despite the history behind the symbol). It seems classifying it as a hate symbol and banning it only gives it more power as a hate symbol, and will also upset plenty of non-raciest southerners in the process.