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MS will ban Forza players who add the confederate flag to their digital cars

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Re: MS will ban Forza players who add the confederate flag to their digital cars

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What next? Tibetan flags? Uighur flags? Palestinian flags? Basque flags? Chechen flags? Israeli flags? South vietnamese flags? Taiwan flags? Dominion of Newfoundland flags? Black nationalist flags? Who's the judge?

Microsoft, which is party beholden to the court of public opinion.

Re: MS will ban Forza players who add the confederate flag to their digital cars

#62

Honest question. For those of you happy that these censorship policies are being implemented by companies in reaction to pressure, do you believe that the ideal end-goal would be 'anti hate speech' laws like those of Germany?

No. It’s apples and oranges. Companies should be free to regulate hate speech on their platforms. The government should not regulate speech in the public domain. The actions of private companies on private property (virtual or otherwise) are an entirely different domain than government intervention. Even if you remove the censorship angle, it can be argued that moderating hate speech is simply good business sense. Pe…

>Companies should be free to regulate hate speech on their platforms. The government should not regulate speech in the public domain.

While I agree, please direct me to where I can speak "in the public domain" online.

Re: MS will ban Forza players who add the confederate flag to their digital cars

#63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me, that'd be a good outcome for the confederate flag. It is a hate symbol and exists almost exclusively to project hatred towards black people.

> To me, that'd be a good outcome for the confederate flag. Where does it end?

This question is applicable to all laws and impossible to objectively answer. It has no real value.

Re: MS will ban Forza players who add the confederate flag to their digital cars

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post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. It’s apples and oranges. Companies should be free to regulate hate speech on their platforms. The government should not regulate speech in the public domain. The actions of private companies on private property (virtual or otherwise) are an entirely different domain than government intervention. Even if you remove the censorship angle, it can be argued that moderating hate speech is simply good business sense. Pe…

>Companies should be free to regulate hate speech on their platforms. The government should not regulate speech in the public domain. While I agree, please direct me to where I can speak "in the public domain" online.

tor, ipfs

Re: MS will ban Forza players who add the confederate flag to their digital cars

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I'm curious why the confederate flag should get special treatment. I had relatives murdered in the Alamo. Should the Mexican flag get banned because I'm offended by it? Every flag represents a group that has been in the losing side of a war and killed opposing citizens or soldiers. Yet, those flags aren't banned.

Because the Confederacy existed primarily to defend the institution of slavery. That puts it in same, short, list as Nazi Germany in my book.

Re: MS will ban Forza players who add the confederate flag to their digital cars

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post #26

I'm curious why the confederate flag should get special treatment. I had relatives murdered in the Alamo. Should the Mexican flag get banned because I'm offended by it? Every flag represents a group that has been in the losing side of a war and killed opposing citizens or soldiers. Yet, those flags aren't banned.

The "confederate flag" that everyone refers to was never actually used by the confederacy but was used by racists after the fact as a symbol of white supremacy.

If the Mexican flag only stood for racism and not any nation, then yes it should probably get banned.

Re: MS will ban Forza players who add the confederate flag to their digital cars

#67

What next? Tibetan flags? Uighur flags? Palestinian flags? Basque flags? Chechen flags? Israeli flags? South vietnamese flags? Taiwan flags? Dominion of Newfoundland flags? Black nationalist flags? Who's the judge?

It depends. Which ones represent the right of owning dark skinned people? I would be happy if they ban those too.

Re: MS will ban Forza players who add the confederate flag to their digital cars

#68
post #26

I'm curious why the confederate flag should get special treatment. I had relatives murdered in the Alamo. Should the Mexican flag get banned because I'm offended by it? Every flag represents a group that has been in the losing side of a war and killed opposing citizens or soldiers. Yet, those flags aren't banned.

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Re: MS will ban Forza players who add the confederate flag to their digital cars

#69

Honest question. For those of you happy that these censorship policies are being implemented by companies in reaction to pressure, do you believe that the ideal end-goal would be 'anti hate speech' laws like those of Germany?

No. I think that it is a responsibility and a duty for citizens and private organizations to self enforce censorship amongst themselves, as we see happening here. But, I do not think it is a good idea to grant that power to the ruling class due to the risk of abuse. Free speech is specifically a check on political power -- this is why it is entirely okay for private companies and individuals to censor speech but we greatly restrict the government's ability to do so. Yes, some governments with "hate speech" legislation have managed not to abuse the power, but there are plenty of examples of abuse to show that it is a risky step to take. Why should we take the risk of expanding state power if we have alternative solutions?

Re: MS will ban Forza players who add the confederate flag to their digital cars

#70

Honest question. For those of you happy that these censorship policies are being implemented by companies in reaction to pressure, do you believe that the ideal end-goal would be 'anti hate speech' laws like those of Germany?

I think we should at least seriously consider that advocating for the murder or enslavement of people falls under the same speech category as incitement and yelling "fire!" in a theater.

And the Confederate Battle Flag and Nazi Flag absolutely do advocate the for murder and enslavement of people.

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