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Re: California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on Indian employee's caste

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Post by pseudonymousgun »

slim wrote: post #137
paloaltokid wrote: post #114

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Thanks for your reply. Can you explain this one a little bit? > One more example in the context of "untouchable" and Brahmins to help you understand the point of not touching others - If lady in a Brahmin house is preparing food in the morning (she will always take bath first), NOBODY (her parents, kids, husband, whatever) in the house is allowed to go to the kitchen, touch her or even drink water from there until th…

I think parent means that it's not racism and that there are similar activity based segregation rules within the same family living in the same house

It is a kind of racism my friend - it is not mentioned in the Hindu scriptures that those who are born to a Brahmin are also by birth brahmin. But in reality, that's how it is - a person is born into a caste, by birth.

For example, if a brahmin person has a baby, then that baby is brahmin by birth. But this is not what the scriptures prescribe. The scriptures mention the caste system by the nature of work one adopts.

But as you can see, it was easily corruptible. Even in 2020, there are brahmin people who explicitly state that they are the superior caste with no repercussions when the constitution mandates equal rights to its citizens. If this is not racism, what is ? Calling some fellow human being as inferior ?

Re: California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on Indian employee's caste

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Post by czzr »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #269
czzr wrote: post #236

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Indeed, let’s extend this. Plenty of documented cases of discriminatory behaviour from white Americans from Southern states - we should be incredibly careful about hiring them or letting them into any positions of power.

this attitude doesn't solve the racism problem. it just creates more of it. you don't solve anything with an eye-for-an-eye.

I was trying to show the absurdity of talking about a group of people like that, admittedly sarcasm is always dangerous in comments.

Re: California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on Indian employee's caste

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Post by Ar-Curunir »

shripadk wrote: post #477
Ar-Curunir wrote: post #447

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This is nonsense. As is demonstrated in this thread, even people with similar educational and professional backgrounds are discriminated against on the basis of caste. Since historically the managerial class is dominated by upper castes, the ones being discriminated against are naturally lower castes. Yes, the reservation system is imperfect and is abused. That doesn’t mean that we replace it with a system that is ca…

No this is looking at the problem superficially. The upper castes feel neglected because there are close to 50% reservation in Government jobs. So they have no choice but to go to private sector. Now they practice undeclared reservation in private sector and not give jobs to the lower castes even if they are equally good and if not better. This is a systemic problem. Each one feels slighted. The lower castes have res…

The upper castes are in a minority of the country. It’s not like they’re inherently better at their jobs, they just have better access to important resources like social capital, economic capital, and education.

Re: California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on Indian employee's caste

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

hitekker wrote: post #505
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #420

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I feel that I need to make a point here. I did not mean to offend anyone. I was simply talking about my experience, in my life, and my outlook. I am very grateful for others sharing their experiences and outlooks, and it has helped me to understand things a bit better. I appreciate it. Really. I understand that this is an emotional topic, and that some people have suffered greatly. But let's not turn this into a flam…

You conflated caste with class. The comments below are a reaction to that false equivalence.

Actually, only one other person (besides you) sank to insults.

I've enjoyed the responses, and the responses to responses. I've learned a bit from it.

This has been a really good thread, about a topic that has a thousand years of pain behind it.

Re: California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on Indian employee's caste

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Post by dramstera »

0x8BADF00D wrote: post #500
gumby wrote: post #499

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None of that has anything to do with “America” or any other country for that matter; it’s simply politeness and getting he job done.

It does. If I worked at a Japanese company, I would learn Japanese. I would respect the culture of the country I emigrated to. Otherwise, why would I live there?

money

Re: California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on Indian employee's caste

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Post by gumby »

0x8BADF00D wrote: post #500
gumby wrote: post #499

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None of that has anything to do with “America” or any other country for that matter; it’s simply politeness and getting he job done.

It does. If I worked at a Japanese company, I would learn Japanese. I would respect the culture of the country I emigrated to. Otherwise, why would I live there?

Really? I’ve spoken with French developers at Nintendo HQ who spoke no Japanese and nobody seemed to bat an eye. In fact I first met them at some meetings with very high level execs.

Re: California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on Indian employee's caste

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Post by tootsandboots »

wobbly_bush wrote: post #524
tootsandboots wrote: post #520

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You can modify the test to give them two choices, a partner that is of higher caste and another that is of lower caste - all things being equal (wealth, health, even skin color). If they were truly non-discriminatory, and only cared about preserving their "culture", they should reject either one with equal probability.

And that is what happens in reality. Among all the inter-caste marriage discussions not all happen in the high vs low distinction, there are several where there is no higher one or lower one (like say a north Indian marrying a south India, like in the book 2 states) but still there is chance of rejection of the marriage.

I agree fully that there are rejections that will happen because of inter-regional differences outside of just caste.

> that is what happens in reality

Are you claiming a "mid" caste family given two marriage proposals:

1. To a brahmin spouse 2. To a lower caste spouse

with everything else being equal (including geographic region) will reject both with equal probability?

Re: California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on Indian employee's caste

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Post by hitekker »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #534
hitekker wrote: post #505

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You conflated caste with class. The comments below are a reaction to that false equivalence.

Actually, only one other person (besides you) sank to insults. I've enjoyed the responses, and the responses to responses. I've learned a bit from it. This has been a really good thread, about a topic that has a thousand years of pain behind it.

I corrected you, not insulted you.

Caste and class are similar but not the same. Merging the two concepts into one is useful for generating outrage and maybe for bonding, but less useful for understanding the suffering of one society compared to another.

Re: California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on Indian employee's caste

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Post by distant_hat »

naveens wrote: post #253
distant_hat wrote: post #242

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They were vegetarian TamBrahms, they just needed the additional details to be totally sure. This was in J P Nagar/Jayanagar area.

Not surprised at all because Old South Bangalore (Basavanagudi, Jayanagar, JP Nagar) is Brahmin Central.

Haha. I am getting downvoted here for just mentioning this :)

Re: California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on Indian employee's caste

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Post by cscurmudgeon »

dang wrote: post #203
cscurmudgeon wrote: post #151

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Lots of unchecked rampant generalizing and evidence-free racism from new accounts in this thread towards Hindus and Indians. So now anecdotes spilling vitriol are allowed?

Of course not. But what are the posts you're referring to? As far as I can tell, most of the discussion in this thread is by Indians, Indian expats, and people of Indian background, sharing their experiences. But I haven't read the entire thread.

How about this one? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23697939

Replace Hindus/Muslims and Casteism/Terrorism and would you allow this if someone claims they are Muslim.

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