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Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents

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Re: Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents

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It will disproportionately take away the more wealthy and better educated. The majority of HKers live in public housing, pay no tax and are unlikely to have the means to live in the UK since there will be no recourse to public funds. This level of brain drain, as in the other mass migration events away from HK, could trigger the government to loosen their grip.

There is no risk of a brain drain. There are plenty of well educated mainlanders who will be happy to take jobs in HK.

I mean there are even plenty of HKers who are happy to stay and make money under China.

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Surprising isn't it, given how much of a driving force EU immigration was in the Brexit debate.

No - because these are RICH Asian migrants, not POOR North African and Syrian migrants. It's a combination of differential racism and elitism.

It's a combination of differential racism and elitism.

Is it possibly more representative of your own prejudices that you see only negative motivation here?

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Better than being ruled by communists, that's for damn sure. That was my experience, anyway.

I’m really curious: what is your experience that you’re referring to?

My wife grew up in the PRC. Before Communism they were a very prominent family (her great uncle was a literary pioneer; his brother, her grandpa, a judge prominent enough that he was mentioned in the movie Lust Caution; and their brother a successful MD), and as a result were "black" under the Communist regime.

With the exception of my wife's grandmother, every member of her extended family spent time in either prison or forced-work camps. One of her aunts translated for me the "confession" she was forced to sign. None of this was related to what we'd consider crimes, but was entirely political.

The Communists took the family's house. They had a refrigerator and a piano, which the Red Guard destroyed on the basis that if everyone didn't have such bourgeois goods, then no one should. When TVs were made available for neighborhood viewing, my wife wasn't allowed to attend.

And there's the malnutrition and squalor they were subjected to. They shared one floor of a brownstone with 2 other families - so, 3 entire families sharing one kitchen and 1.5 baths. There was insufficient food, to the point where they had to eat insect-infested grain - while Party members got plenty.

So, all in all, my wife's experience with Communism wasn't positive, and having lived through that, she's the first to speak up against anything that exhibits any of those traits.

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I live in Vancouver. The pattern for many Hong Kong immigrants is to have the mother and children live in Canada while the father works in HK.The family doesn't declare the foreign income in Canada. So they enjoy the benefits of a low tax HK income. And they get all the nice things that go with living in high tax Canada while not contributing to it -free healthcare, subsided University, safe communities, clean enviro…

> mother and children live in Canada When these children grow up - they will pay taxes in Canada. It looks like a good deal for Canada. Even if father's income is taxed in Hong Kong only.

It isn't a good deal for Canadians because we can get immigrants that will contribute to Canada, pay taxes, and have children who will do the same.

And many of the children of Hk immigrants will go back to HK to earn more money.

They will do whatever is in their best interest.

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It's interesting to see how proactive a lot of developed countries are being with getting ready to welcome refugees from Hong Kong, especially compared to the Syrian crisis a few years ago.

compared to the Syrian crisis a few years ago Please enlighten me. As a German, I have yet to see even a statement of any German politician to do as the Brits do. Is there any non-english speaking country being "proactive"?

Japan and Taiwan are seemingly being open to immigration and open to poaching skilled immigrants specifically. Both Taiwan and Japan are typically fairly difficult to immigrate to in general unless it's for temp guest workers.

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True. IMO assimilation isn't a bad thing, rather an indicator of a culture they bring with them which is accustomed to concepts of citizenry (or even more evolved) and the state (confucianism?).

Assimilation means the next generation won't be willing to fight the the memories of a HK half a world and century away. Also, most of the Asian diaspora in the anglophone sphere assimilate simply because there's not enough population, not because of some special cultural quality. 5% of the US is Asian American, and that's divided among all the different Asian nations. The Asian diaspora in Southeast Asia do a much b…

Assimilation means the next generation won't be willing to fight the the memories of a HK half a world and century away.

But it doesn't mean they are forgetting about their ancestors struggle or their heritage either.

not because of some special cultural quality

It could easily transcribed as education, no need to imply cultural patronzing.

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The CPP would like to have a word with you for referring to Taiwan as a “different country”

They need to stop strong-arming the rest of us into accepting their made-up-reality. They can live in fantasy land if they want, but they don't get to make me live in their fantasy.

Congratulations, you've just violated the brand-new HK National Security Law, which according to article 38 applies to everyone on Earth.

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I live in Vancouver. The pattern for many Hong Kong immigrants is to have the mother and children live in Canada while the father works in HK.The family doesn't declare the foreign income in Canada. So they enjoy the benefits of a low tax HK income. And they get all the nice things that go with living in high tax Canada while not contributing to it -free healthcare, subsided University, safe communities, clean enviro…

If the dad stays an astronaut, he will get lost in space once China finishes engulfing HK. I don't think HKers are going to be as worried about reducing their tax rates as staying free right now..

The whole reason for getting Canadian citizenship is for the day that China engulfs HK and they want to leave. China isn't going to restrict the movement of hundreds of thousands of foreigners legally living in HK.

300,000 Canadians living in HK right now.

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post #155

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Hong Kong is very British, though. Most of the other colonized parts are not (Exceptions maybe Canada, NZ and Australia). But traveling from Hong Kong to Shenzhen, you can feel that there is a significant culture gap. Also Hong Kong appears to have lots of British banking connections like HSBC and Standard Chartered.

Hongkong looks somewhat British in some aspects but not many. I think the main culture gap is that HK has kept a traditional Chinese culture that was swept away on the mainland. > like HSBC The name which means the Hongkong and Shanghai Banking Company. A bank founded in China (Hongkong) by the British.

Sure it was founded in HongKong but at that time it's purpose was to facilitate trade and banking between the UK and mainland China. My point is that they still have lots of these relations up to this day.
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