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Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by wonderwonder »

TheGrim-888 wrote: post #54

Just a reminder that none of this is factual or evidence. It COULD be, but just because somebody writes something doesn't make it true. You are not given any of the context of what happened in these situations. If there's video the video starts when the conflict is already full swing, you're not seeing anything that led up to the situation. You can read "Police showed up and fired tear gas and agitated the crowd and…

Is the opposite not true on every single police report? Only one sided and often that one sided report is shown to be completely unreliable once cell phone video is provided by witnesses. The police report for Breonna Taylor listed no injuries.

Google will display pages of results of police lying about what occurred during violent arrests only to be proven wrong by cell phone footage.

Your comment appears as if you may be 'politically motivated to exaggerate'.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by rootusrootus »

isbjorn16 wrote: post #62
TheGrim-888 wrote: post #54

Just a reminder that none of this is factual or evidence. It COULD be, but just because somebody writes something doesn't make it true. You are not given any of the context of what happened in these situations. If there's video the video starts when the conflict is already full swing, you're not seeing anything that led up to the situation. You can read "Police showed up and fired tear gas and agitated the crowd and…

> Not only are you not given the context, but you're only given one side of the story. I'm sure if you asked the police what happened, their story would be completely different. But you're only being allowed to get the story from one side, and that side is insanely politically motivated to exaggerate, and do everything they can to make the police look bad, because it strengths their political positions. Is that... is…

I recall reading that some localities have already made changes to their body camera recording rules which rule video footage inadmissible if it has been edited to remove context.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by colonelxc »

TheGrim-888 wrote: post #54

Just a reminder that none of this is factual or evidence. It COULD be, but just because somebody writes something doesn't make it true. You are not given any of the context of what happened in these situations. If there's video the video starts when the conflict is already full swing, you're not seeing anything that led up to the situation. You can read "Police showed up and fired tear gas and agitated the crowd and…

I agree that short videos can be misleading. But I think it's wrong to say that we're only allowed to get one side of the story, because some media outlets are focusing heavily on riot/looting/destruction of property (and essentially not covering the protests when they are completely peaceful).

Another point is that protesters feel the police should not be using these amounts of force at all.

I think what this boils down to is that it is evidence of use of force. If this was a courtroom, it would be up to to the defence/prosecution to argue each side, and provide whatever missing context would affect the judge/jurors decision.

Like anything in the 'court of public opinion', it doesn't work like that. Police departments (and city/local governments) are free to put out statements defending their actions as well.

Ideally, the person(s) maintaining this repository would respond to extra gathered evidence/context and remove any links where the context determines something else is happening. That would further strengthen their arguements, as it removes arguments of "well that one doesn't was `justified`, so maybe they all are".

But in general, I have to say that any individual has no responsibility to provide 'both sides' of the argument. The police almost always say their use of force is justified, so they're not the unbiased party either.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by wonderwonder »

joejoeshabadoo5 wrote: post #8

I wonder if a database similar to this that documented property crimes, or black on white hate crimes would be allowed to stay up?

I really dont understand this comment and this attitude? Being a police officer is a job, one can choose to change it at any time, it is not even comparable to a race, gender, etc. If your same comment was written about software engineers or plumbers, would it not seem a bit odd? I don't understand the putting a job on a pedestal, especially a job where someone is given the power to violently assault and kill people and get away with it.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by throwawaysea »

From what I saw on Twitter, most of the videos alleging police using force without reason were misleading, and leaving out all the footage preceding police action. In cases where others uploaded longer videos or different angles, it was clear that protesters were acting illegally, or ignoring clear verbal warnings, or refusing lawful orders to disperse, and so on. By leaving those crucial additional bits out, activists were generating outrage online where none was deserved. The same applies here, and I encourage people to take resources like this with a grain of salt.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by rootusrootus »

wonderwonder wrote: post #71
TheGrim-888 wrote: post #54

Just a reminder that none of this is factual or evidence. It COULD be, but just because somebody writes something doesn't make it true. You are not given any of the context of what happened in these situations. If there's video the video starts when the conflict is already full swing, you're not seeing anything that led up to the situation. You can read "Police showed up and fired tear gas and agitated the crowd and…

Is the opposite not true on every single police report? Only one sided and often that one sided report is shown to be completely unreliable once cell phone video is provided by witnesses. The police report for Breonna Taylor listed no injuries. Google will display pages of results of police lying about what occurred during violent arrests only to be proven wrong by cell phone footage. Your comment appears as if you m…

> Is the opposite not true on every single police report?

How can you tell? Unless you are politically motivated to exaggerate, then all we really know is that there have been some high profile instances where police reports have been falsified. But I don't know how we can reliably expand that to all police reports.

Fundamentally, police officers are sworn, and so their word carries more weight than a non-sworn citizen. This is sensible, but it ought to come with strings attached. Lying, for example, should reliably results in a perjury charge.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by ianleeclark »

mtgp1000 wrote: post #46
paulgb wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a certain irony of accusing a crowdsourced repository of being junk because it's crowdsourced, with an anonymous account created seven minutes ago.

What, you think because it's crowdsourced it isn't liable to bias? You think they're going to accept a PR which attempts to remove multiple incidents, for any reason?

You could always test this hypothesis of yours. Go, dig through the hours of footage of cops purposefully shooting journalists in the eyes, of them running protestors over, and of them confining protestors in corners only to repeatedly tear gas them.

I bet you might even find one that isn't brutality. So report it and see what happens.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

#78

Post by shuntress »

dx87 wrote: post #69
shuntress wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it is open, the crowd will be able to look over pull requests and judge the reasoning/evidence put forth by the pull request to remove an incident as well as the reasons provided by maintainer for the PR's approval/rejection.

We both know that's not going to happen. Just looks at the comments here; every comment that doesn't show unquestioning support is either flagged or grayed out. Police should be be held accountable, but this is just outrage bait.

I saw at least one listing that was a link to a deleted tweet.

Feel free to prove yourself wrong by creating a pull request removing or marking that entry.

Or go through any of the other entries to find one that clearly demonstrates no wrongdoing. Write up a clear, concise, impartial explanation. I'm sure it will be given appropriate consideration.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by jessaustin »

mtgp1000 wrote: post #55
jakelazaroff wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a man's age does not give him license to block police who have given orders to disperse Giving orders to disperse to does not give police a license to physically assault civilians without provocation. > if the man had been 20 years younger his stumble would not have resulted in a fall Is this supposed to be exculpatory? If I throw peanuts on someone with a peanut allergy, is "they would have been fine had they not…

>Giving orders to disperse to does not give police a license to physically assault civilians without provocation Do you expect police to just stand around and wait until people feel like following lawful orders? Should they carry around lollipops to hand out for people who follow directions? >Is this supposed to be exculpatory? If I throw peanuts on someone with a peanut allergy, is "they would have been fine had the…

...lawful orders...

This is a null category. Free people don't take orders from their employees.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by zentiggr »

TheGrim-888 wrote: post #54

Just a reminder that none of this is factual or evidence. It COULD be, but just because somebody writes something doesn't make it true. You are not given any of the context of what happened in these situations. If there's video the video starts when the conflict is already full swing, you're not seeing anything that led up to the situation. You can read "Police showed up and fired tear gas and agitated the crowd and…

Entirely aside from the point that the levels of action in many cases are totally unjustified regardless of the context.

When the forces involved go past the point of reason and start being violent for their own sake, it's time to impose restraint from outside.

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