Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests • Hacker News Board

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by jakelazaroff » Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 8:19 PM UTC

mtgp1000 wrote: post #43

celticninja wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So confident in your statement you made a new account. Would you care to link some of the incidents that feel are not even close to police brutality? You could also make a PR to remove those.

How about the incident where the old man toppled over and smashed his head when the cops nudged him out of the way? Yes, at first glance it's hard to watch, but if you stifle your emotions and look objectively at the situation, a man's age does not give him license to block police who have given orders to disperse, and the officer who pushes him clearly does so with restraint - if the man had been 20 years younger hi…

> a man's age does not give him license to block police who have given orders to disperse

Giving orders to disperse to does not give police a license to physically assault civilians without provocation.

> if the man had been 20 years younger his stumble would not have resulted in a fall

Is this supposed to be exculpatory? If I throw peanuts on someone with a peanut allergy, is "they would have been fine had they not been allergic" an acceptable defense?

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by mtgp1000 » Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 8:21 PM UTC

ilikehurdles wrote: post #31

remlazar wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not without revealing more than I wish to people like you creeping on my profile. Look at the repo, draw your own conclusion as I did.

Why be concerned about your throwaway minutes-old profile with only comments in this one thread? It sounds more like you're afraid that your claim might get challenged.

I'm not responding to this comment, just pointing out for anyone reading, that this person knows very well that he and his buddies won't be waiting with a "challenge" for anyone who attempts to publicly criticize BLM or the movement, but instead with a likely doxxing and unpersonning.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by phailhaus » Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 8:21 PM UTC

_red wrote: post #45

simongg wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would a list of police brutality incidents contain information about property crime?

Because often the way these things escalate is police are called because protesters are burning and looting... This is my point: The presentation of this list inherently absolves one-side from any misdeeds.

The protestors burning and looting are not sanctioned by the state and funded by taxpayers. We already have laws for punishing them. The whole point of this repo is pointing out that the police are held to a completely different set of standards, and are almost always let off the hook.

It doesn't matter how much burning and looting happened, the police still cannot engage in indiscriminate brutality.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by TheGrim-888 » Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 8:22 PM UTC

Just a reminder that none of this is factual or evidence. It COULD be, but just because somebody writes something doesn't make it true.

You are not given any of the context of what happened in these situations. If there's video the video starts when the conflict is already full swing, you're not seeing anything that led up to the situation.

You can read "Police showed up and fired tear gas and agitated the crowd and caused violence", but you're not told WHY they fired tear gas. You're not given the context as to what happened.

Not only are you not given the context, but you're only given one side of the story. I'm sure if you asked the police what happened, their story would be completely different. But you're only being allowed to get the story from one side, and that side is insanely politically motivated to exaggerate, and do everything they can to make the police look bad, because it strengths their political positions.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by mtgp1000 » Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 8:25 PM UTC

jakelazaroff wrote: post #51

mtgp1000 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about the incident where the old man toppled over and smashed his head when the cops nudged him out of the way? Yes, at first glance it's hard to watch, but if you stifle your emotions and look objectively at the situation, a man's age does not give him license to block police who have given orders to disperse, and the officer who pushes him clearly does so with restraint - if the man had been 20 years younger hi…

> a man's age does not give him license to block police who have given orders to disperse Giving orders to disperse to does not give police a license to physically assault civilians without provocation. > if the man had been 20 years younger his stumble would not have resulted in a fall Is this supposed to be exculpatory? If I throw peanuts on someone with a peanut allergy, is "they would have been fine had they not…

>Giving orders to disperse to does not give police a license to physically assault civilians without provocation

Do you expect police to just stand around and wait until people feel like following lawful orders?

Should they carry around lollipops to hand out for people who follow directions?

>Is this supposed to be exculpatory? If I throw peanuts on someone with a peanut allergy, is "they would have been fine had they not been allergic" an acceptable defense

If you have a peanut allergy you shouldn't be hanging around in peanut factories looking for trouble (as the old guy was on video laughing earlier that day)

Edit: by the way, that bit about him trying to return a helmet was nonsense, earlier photos/videos show that it was his.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by monocasa » Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 8:27 PM UTC

_red wrote: post #45

simongg wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would a list of police brutality incidents contain information about property crime?

Because often the way these things escalate is police are called because protesters are burning and looting... This is my point: The presentation of this list inherently absolves one-side from any misdeeds.

That's not been my experience. The police have been the first to escalate in Denver. Then the resulting chaos gives cover for unsavory elements to start tagging/burning/looting.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by shuntress » Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 8:28 PM UTC

mtgp1000 wrote: post #46

paulgb wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a certain irony of accusing a crowdsourced repository of being junk because it's crowdsourced, with an anonymous account created seven minutes ago.

What, you think because it's crowdsourced it isn't liable to bias? You think they're going to accept a PR which attempts to remove multiple incidents, for any reason?

Because it is open, the crowd will be able to look over pull requests and judge the reasoning/evidence put forth by the pull request to remove an incident as well as the reasons provided by maintainer for the PR's approval/rejection.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by monocasa » Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 8:30 PM UTC

mtgp1000 wrote: post #55

jakelazaroff wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a man's age does not give him license to block police who have given orders to disperse Giving orders to disperse to does not give police a license to physically assault civilians without provocation. > if the man had been 20 years younger his stumble would not have resulted in a fall Is this supposed to be exculpatory? If I throw peanuts on someone with a peanut allergy, is "they would have been fine had they not…

>Giving orders to disperse to does not give police a license to physically assault civilians without provocation Do you expect police to just stand around and wait until people feel like following lawful orders? Should they carry around lollipops to hand out for people who follow directions? >Is this supposed to be exculpatory? If I throw peanuts on someone with a peanut allergy, is "they would have been fine had the…

> Do you expect police to just stand around and wait until people feel like following lawful orders?

I expect them to not shove the elderly onto concrete and then walk away as blood flows out of their ears.

That's not a high bar.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by jakelazaroff » Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 8:31 PM UTC

mtgp1000 wrote: post #55

jakelazaroff wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a man's age does not give him license to block police who have given orders to disperse Giving orders to disperse to does not give police a license to physically assault civilians without provocation. > if the man had been 20 years younger his stumble would not have resulted in a fall Is this supposed to be exculpatory? If I throw peanuts on someone with a peanut allergy, is "they would have been fine had they not…

>Giving orders to disperse to does not give police a license to physically assault civilians without provocation Do you expect police to just stand around and wait until people feel like following lawful orders? Should they carry around lollipops to hand out for people who follow directions? >Is this supposed to be exculpatory? If I throw peanuts on someone with a peanut allergy, is "they would have been fine had the…

> Do you expect police to just stand around and wait until people feel like following lawful orders?

If he was breaking the law, why did they assault him rather than arresting him?

Also, how do we know the orders were lawful?

> If you have a peanut allergy you shouldn't be hanging around in peanut factories looking for trouble (as the old guy was on video laughing earlier that day)

How is it relevant that he was laughing earlier?

The point is that it's incumbent on the police to determine the appropriate amount of force to use, not on civilians to retreat based on a worst–case scenario of what the police can do to them. They exist to serve us, not the other way around.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by nalllar » Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 8:34 PM UTC

mtgp1000 wrote: post #55

jakelazaroff wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a man's age does not give him license to block police who have given orders to disperse Giving orders to disperse to does not give police a license to physically assault civilians without provocation. > if the man had been 20 years younger his stumble would not have resulted in a fall Is this supposed to be exculpatory? If I throw peanuts on someone with a peanut allergy, is "they would have been fine had they not…

>Giving orders to disperse to does not give police a license to physically assault civilians without provocation Do you expect police to just stand around and wait until people feel like following lawful orders? Should they carry around lollipops to hand out for people who follow directions? >Is this supposed to be exculpatory? If I throw peanuts on someone with a peanut allergy, is "they would have been fine had the…

> Do you expect police to just stand around and wait until people feel like following lawful orders?

Yes? If they're incapable of enforcing their orders without hurting people they should not be trying to enforce them.

It's bloody alien seeing Americans arguing over this sort of thing as if there's a context that makes hurting the people you're sworn to protect okay. The rest of the world seems to understand what the point of police is.