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The End of the Redis Adventure

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Re: The End of the Redis Adventure

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Post by toyg »

antirez wrote: post #63
cies wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was also intrigued by that sentence. I expect it means (open source) programming that happens outside of of big corps. But I'm unsure.

Yep it's the open source, and in general the "spontaneous" development world, that happens without big money, just for hacking. This "place" once was kinda free and not observed much. Now you can't say anything, if you don't respect a good practice (LOL) people yell at you on Twitter. Even saying that commenting is a good idea is a problem. Not cool.

> people yell at you on Twitter.

Dude, the problem is just Twitter. Everybody shouts on Twitter, it's a system that encourages mob reactions. "Back in the day" people had to subscribe to a ML to yell at you, so fewer people did; and we all knew which lists were cesspools of trolls and flamers, making it easier to avoid the bulk of it. Twitter instead gives you the whole firehose, unfiltered and amplified. It's not a problem restricted to opensource or programmers, we see it everywhere at the moment.

Re: The End of the Redis Adventure

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Post by avmich »

It's long past due that we should move to software which isn't maintained - because there's nothing to do. Adding features could be done either by writing a new one - because the requests don't really fit the meaning of old one, the creators saw that and rejected; fixing bugs - yes, fixing bugs may remain, but are there many bugs in, say, TEX code?

We don't yet know how to write a completed software well - the one which isn't updated on Github for years yet nobody calls it stale or outdated.

Re: The End of the Redis Adventure

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Post by munificent »

antirez wrote: post #78

Ok, so many thank you here, thanks! It's very nice to read the comments here. But I hope to interact more on HN, since basically the idea is to write more blog posts, write more OSS software too. Just totally random :D I'll just do whatever every morning I want to do for a long time. Then maybe I'll find a new long term interest.

I want you to know that your code is a real inspiration to me. Redis is a beautiful C artifact and an excellent reminder of how joyful it can be to create and read code.

Also, congratulations to moving off of Redis. In open source, there is a thing where people look at retiring from a project as some sort of failure of either the project or the maintainer, but I think the opposite is true.

We all have a finite amount of time on Earth, and everything has its natural beginning and end. Moving on to something else means creating the opportunity for yourself to find the next big project for you. And for the project itself, it means bringing in new eyes and perspectives.

Change is scary, but healthy.

Re: The End of the Redis Adventure

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Post by ddevault »

sitkack wrote: post #93
sph wrote: post #69

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> There are plenty of problems with BDFL-style projects, but I think there are a lot of advantages too. BDFL governance is extremely underrated in the opensource world. People attribute the success of the Linux kernel to its open contribution style, but I will argue that Linux is successful because there's a dictator at the top that enforces a direction, a long term goal, and most importantly, says NO. Community base…

Does FreeBSD have a BDFL? We don't have enough data points to determine if what you are saying is correct. I have also seen lots of BDFL projects smoke out. Is the lesson that actual dictatorships only survive long term if 1) the dictator is a nice person and 2) they eventually get managed by an open democratic process? I think you are actually describing the two clocks problem. Lots of BDFL projects have their own C…

If you're comparing FreeBSD to Linux then I think that says a lot about the merits of BDFLs, really.

Re: The End of the Redis Adventure

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Post by umvi »

eric_b wrote: post #50

So they're moving to a new "community based", "light governance" model. [1] There are plenty of problems with BDFL-style projects, but I think there are a lot of advantages too. Redis is unique in my experience in that it works the way you'd expect - it doesn't cause outages, it is fast, and it has a vanishingly small number of gotchas. The feature set is well curated and for the most part fits together cohesively. T…

> The most important thing Antirez did, in my opinion, was to say "No" to things.

This is hard. It makes you feel bad inside to tell people "No", especially when they open PR and clearly did a lot of work adding some feature.

Re: The End of the Redis Adventure

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Post by ibrault »

antirez wrote: post #78

Ok, so many thank you here, thanks! It's very nice to read the comments here. But I hope to interact more on HN, since basically the idea is to write more blog posts, write more OSS software too. Just totally random :D I'll just do whatever every morning I want to do for a long time. Then maybe I'll find a new long term interest.

Thank you Salvatore! You have been an inspiration to me as a young programmer and have opened my eyes to the wonders of OSS. Excited to see whatever you do next!

Re: The End of the Redis Adventure

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Post by krp »

antirez wrote: post #78

Ok, so many thank you here, thanks! It's very nice to read the comments here. But I hope to interact more on HN, since basically the idea is to write more blog posts, write more OSS software too. Just totally random :D I'll just do whatever every morning I want to do for a long time. Then maybe I'll find a new long term interest.

@antirez Thanks man! Maximum respect for everything so far, and for your honesty over the years. I rarely login or post on HN but I have just for this post.

I've been using redis since I think 2.2 and have learned so much from your posts over the years! More than just about redis. Are you able to post links on your site to the videos you're making? I don't speak Italian but I'd love to learn from subtitles.

I'm really excited for you and look forward to whatever fun things you decide to do next! Greets from NZ

Re: The End of the Redis Adventure

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Post by [deleted] »

brobdingnagians wrote: post #87
aboringusername wrote: post #54

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It's an interesting proposition. Whether it's Python, Redis, Laravel or Linux itself, a lot of software projects have been driven primarily by singular people and their decisions which shape the project over a period of time. One example that was mentioned in this thread was the whole "master" thing going on. Is Torvalds really going to get involved in that? Most likely no, and that's a decision he's free to make. I…

>> "old white guy in charge of Linux" Erhmmm, why does his age or colour matter in this context? Debate can happen about people and their leadership style, (I'm not a fan of Torvalds) but when the first criteria someone sees for criticizing another person is their age, colour, or race, that seems a bit shallow and biased.

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Re: The End of the Redis Adventure

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Post by divtiwari »

antirez wrote: post #78

Ok, so many thank you here, thanks! It's very nice to read the comments here. But I hope to interact more on HN, since basically the idea is to write more blog posts, write more OSS software too. Just totally random :D I'll just do whatever every morning I want to do for a long time. Then maybe I'll find a new long term interest.

Thank you so much for your contributions!!!!! I might have not used Redis, but I learned a lot from your text editor tutorial.

Re: The End of the Redis Adventure

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Post by ojosilva »

polote wrote: post #117
entropie wrote: post #58

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I actually wonder how many request/s one gets from being on the top of HN.

"antirez 2 hours ago. 52347 views. "

Those are the ones that got through all the way, or at least the ones that got picked up by the view counter. Not the people that got error or timed-out responses.
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